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Chokecherry Wine - My First Attempt

Those of us who live in “Chokecherry Country” know that we have a great thing going with these wonderful little spheres of purplish-black love, known scientifically as Prunus virginiana. Chokecherries are an integral part of the culture and the people who live with them, from the Native American tribes who gathered and used them hundreds (and probably thousands) of years ago, to the pioneers and settlers who arrived to tame the land and discovered an irresistible treat waiting for them when they arrived.

All my life, I’ve enjoyed chokecherries, mostly in the form of syrup and jelly, but occasionally in a few other creative ways. Late last year, I even brewed a chokecherry-wheat ale that came out really well, and I intend to brew it again later this year. But in spite of the fact that I have lived in Montana and the Dakotas all of my life, one of the most popular ways to experience the chokecherry is one that I had never tried before - in wine.

Last year, I set out to remedy that situation when I picked several pounds of chokecherries in the mountains south of home with my youngest son. It was one of those late-summer mornings that exist to let you know that autumn is approaching; cool, foggy and with occasional drizzles of light rain. The aroma of wet leaves and grass was heavy in the air, and in many ways, it was nearly a perfect time to be where I was and doing what I was doing. Interestingly, the chokecherries proved to be difficult to find last year, due to a late-spring frost; however, after much searching outside of our usual areas, we did find a couple of nice groves that contained a wonderful harvest of plump, ripe chokecherries. I made some of them into syrup, and I used a small portion for the aforementioned chokecherry-wheat ale that I brewed...and the rest eventually became my first attempt at chokecherry wine.

The Wonderful, Thoughtful and Beautiful Mrs. Tas, knowing my desire to learn about making wine, bought this 1-gallon kit for my last birthday:

http://mastervintner.com/master-vintner-fresh-harvest-fruit-winemaking-kit/

What I especially like about this kit is that it simply contains the equipment and necessary additives for making wine; the beauty of it is that you get to supply all of your own fruit for making it, and it can be whatever you want. You can get it at the market, grow it in your garden...or you can gather what Nature provides. The possibilities are endless, and I am grateful to her for choosing this option, because I feel that it would be much more rewarding to go this route, than to make a “normal” wine using pre-packaged ingredients from a factory somewhere. This type of venture appeals to me, a descendant of immigrants, farmers, gardeners and gatherers going all the way back through their migrations to their origins; Montana, North Dakota, Ukraine, The Black Forest Region of Germany, and finally to 18th Century Alsace - and before that, as well.

There are probably hundreds of different recipes for chokecherry wine out there on hand-written notecards and in kitchen cupboards all across the northern United States and Southern Canada, often written with vague, generalised instructions using archaic terminology or esoteric-sounding directives such as “soak chokecherries in water until a white film grows over them, then add bread yeast.” There are also quite a few recipes to be found on the internet; however, it seemed to me that many of those recipes will contain blends with other fruits or wines, or that they call for the wine to be infused with additives, adjuncts and other ingredients that are - in my opinion - distractions from the true character of the chokecherry. In most cases, the recipes that I found are for very large batches of wine, calling for 50 or 60 pounds of chokecherries at a time and methods that could almost be on an industrial scale. Even most of the smaller recipes were for a minimum of 20 gallons of wine, an amount that would take me decades to consume.

For my own requirements, a small, low-maintenance, home-based batch that would be typical of any rural farmhouse wine, there were a few recipes out there; all were similar, but there were differences in the details that were enough to be a bit confusing for someone who has never made “real” wine before. Luckily, I found salvation in the form of a friendly and helpful woman on this forum that we all know as "Yooper.” Being from the Midwest, she has been making chokecherry wine for many years; consequently, she is very well-versed on the fundamentals of the process, the pitfalls and the dozens of other little things that will really help someone who is starting out. Thanks to her experience and mentorship, I was able to bring some order to the chaos and finally get this project started after several years of wandering around aimlessly in the wilderness. I am very grateful to her for all of her patient and valuable help with this project!

Here is her recipe, scaled down to 1 gallon:

Yooper’s Chokecherry Wine

2-1/2 pounds chokecherries
2 pounds table sugar
1 tsp acid blend
1/2 tsp pectic enzyme
1/4 tsp grape tannin (or less)
1 tsp yeast nutrient
1 crushed Campden tablet
Champagne yeast

Freeze berries first, for ease in crushing, but no need to destone. Place in a sanitized mesh nylon bag (very large so the berries have room), and then bring approximately 6 pints of water to a boil, and add 1.5# of sugar. Stir in acid blend, grape tannin, yeast nutrient, and crushed campden tablet. Pour over the berries. Stir well, cover loosely and let stand 12 hours. Add pectic enzyme and let stand another 12 hours. Stir well, estimate volume (you will be removing the chokecherry pulp, so I lift out the bag and look at the volume in the primary bucket). Check the SG (Specific gravity) to ensure it is between 1.085-1.100. Write this number down. Add yeast, stir and cover again.

Gently squeeze bag twice daily to extract juice. After five days, drain bag and squeeze well to extract as much juice as you can. Rack to secondary, and fit airlock. If the original SG was low, this is the time to add additional sugar to boost the ABV. Rack when lees are 1/4" thick, or in about 30 days. After that, rack whenever lees are 1/4" thick, or if there are any lees at all in 60 days.

After no new lees fall after at least 60 days, and the wine is clear, it can be stabilized and sweetened if desired, or racked onto oak for a period of time for a table wine.

I would miss the grape concentrate in this, so I would add a few raisins in secondary for body and flavor.

In a batch about 5 years ago, I got an SG of 1.094 from 8 pounds of sugar in 5 gallons, so I'd start low (the 1.5 pound above) and add more later if necessary. The batch the following year needed 12 pounds of sugar in a 6 gallon batch, so you can see how much it varies!
Due to several factors, including my father’s recollections from watching his own father make chokecherry wine years ago, my attempt was slightly different; however, It seems that the essentials should be close enough to get things started so that I can learn what I am doing and why I am doing it. My goal was for a slightly- (but not overly-) sweet, fruity wine that has plenty of rich, chokecherry flavour. Once I am able to see the results of this batch, I will be able to adjust toward that end, if necessary.

Here’s how my first batch of wine came together (deviations from Yooper’s original recipe are in parenthesis, for comparison):

Ron’s Chokecherry Wine (First Attempt):

2.9 pounds chokecherries (2.5 pounds in original recipe, but 2.9 is what I had)
1 cup golden raisins (my interpretation of “a few” called for in original recipe)
2.25 pounds sugar (2 pounds in original recipe)
3/4 teaspoon acid blend (1 teaspoon in original recipe)
1/2 teaspoon pectic enzyme
1 teaspoon yeast nutrient
1 crushed Campden tablet
1 pkg Montrachet yeast
7 pints Montana spring water (6 pints in original recipe)

Not used: grape tannin (my dad insisted that his dad never used it, so I tried it his way)
I began my chokecherry wine on Saturday, February 27th, 2016. Since beginning this project, I have been trying to follow the basic procedure outlined in Yooper’s instructions, but there have been a couple of minor differences. With my work and home schedule, I’ve only been able to stir the chokecherry must once each day, rather than twice. Another difference is that I’ve never used a hydrometer before and don’t yet have all of what I need to use one in order to check specific gravity, final gravity etc.; I’ve since ordered the modest equipment that I need, so I will have it by the next time I start a batch of wine. This will help me keep better track of what my wine is doing at various stages of its progress, and will allow me to accurately measure the alcohol content, as well.

At the time of this writing, I am still in the beginning stages of fermentation. I will keep a record of my progress here on this thread as I learn what I am doing. This will serve the dual purpose allowing me to retrace my steps next time - adjusting when necessary - while also (hopefully) providing useful information for anyone who is wanting to start their own batch of chokecherry wine. This and subsequent posts will contain terminology that might be new to those who have not made wine before; to be honest, I am still learning many of these terms myself, so my understanding of them is still rather superficial. I might know some definitions, but it will take more experience before I am able to grasp the context of and interrelationships between many fundamental aspects of home winemaking. I will do my best to explain some of these terms when and where I can. If you have questions, please be sure to ask, or to consult many of the excellent resources available.

Here is a record of my progress up until this point:

Saturday, February 27th, 2016

Well, Glory be ~ I was finally able to start my chokecherry wine today!

My dad, who used to watch his dad make chokecherry wine, came over today telling me about his progress with his own first batch of wine, which he started a couple of days ago. Because of this, I figured that now is the time to finally get going, and I am sure glad that I did. Everything went very smoothly, and I think that I am going to end up with some very nice wine. It actually took longer to get the equipment clean and sanitised than it did to actually get the wine going, so once again, I am kicking myself for taking so long in getting a project started. I could have been sampling some wine right now, If I would have gotten going on it!
Sunday, February 28th, 21016

I did my first stirring and pitched my Montrachet yeast today; I had intended to make a yeast starter, but forgot to do so.

Ambient temperatures are right around 70 degrees, plus or minus a couple of degrees, depending on the time of day.

If I read Yooper's instructions correctly, the primary bucket should be covered loosely (not clamped down) and the airlock should not be on, until it goes into secondary. My dad agrees with this, saying that is how he is doing his.

We're cruising along here, and I think that all is well.
Monday, February 29th, 2016

I stirred my must and squeezed my bag of chokecherries today after work. I was unsure about just how vigorously I should be squeezing things out, so I gave it a few firm squeezes, squishing around so as to hopefully mash up the chokecherries (but not the stones, of course), and then called it good. It did look like a lot of pulpy stuff seeped out of the mesh bag, and I am guessing that by the time my first week is through, I'll have what is essentially a bag of skins and pits.

Temperatures had fallen to 68 degrees, but I am going to guess that this is okay, as long as it was only for a short time. I bumped the heat up and tucked the fermenting bucket away until tomorrow.

The must is looking great, with a characteristic chokecherry colour starting to deepen from purple (with a hint of brown) into deep burgundy. I did not notice any signs of active fermentation, but this is my first batch, so I am not sure what exactly to expect. There were the very beginnings of foam on top, it seemed, so I'll check it tomorrow and see what I have. It is really starting to smell rich as well, almost like the beginning of wine, so I am assuming that I am on the right track.

With my first attempt, I did not add tannin to the recipe, as my dad was insistent that his dad never used it, apparently on the grounds that the few small stems that make it through the picking process provide the necessary tannins. The recipe only calls for 1/4 teaspoon for the gallon, and I am hoping that the wine is not affected in any adverse way. My goal is a rich, slightly-sweet, slightly-fruity wine, so time will tell.
Tuesday, 1 March 2016 (morning)

I looked in on my wine this morning. Ambient temperature was 68 degrees, so I bumped it up just a tiny bit to stay around 70. It was dark in the room, but I think I saw the beginnings of some foam at the top, which I would take as a confirmation of fermentation. It might also have been the mesh bag; I'll know for sure when I get home from work.

I am definitely getting some wonderful, chokecherry-powered aroma from this must, and to me, it definitely SMELLS like fermentation is happening. This is my first batch of any "real" wine, so in many ways I am not sure what to expect. Going forward, I plan to use a hydrometer, as I should have been doing all along, but for now, it seems that things are progressing.

When I get home from work tonight, I'll confirm visual signs of fermentation, stir, squeeze etc.

More as it happens, etc. &c.
Tuesday, 1 March 2016 (evening)

I came home tonight from work and checked on my wine before stirring it. It looks like things are going well!

Ambient temperatures are holding steady as above, and the wine is getting a nice, deep aroma that definitely has some fermentation in it. Colour remains as described above, a nice deep burgundy with a bare hint of tan or brown added. I still do not see any real foam on top, but maybe I am expecting to see it because of the krausen that I am used to seeing with beer brewing. The wine is quite cloudy now, which is expected, and as I squeezed the mesh bag full of chokecherries, I was getting plenty of good, thick pulp into the bucket. I was also able to feel that about half of the chokecherries are squeezed down to the point where they are pretty much just pits. By Friday, I am guessing that this will be the case for nearly all of the bag, if not all of it.

A few errant drops gave themselves up to a taste test, and I think we've got some good things here. It is actually starting to taste like a young wine; just slightly more sour or acidic than I expected, but I assume that will balance out. There's also plenty of sweetness still, and oodles of chokecherry flavour.

That's all I have for now.
As of this morning, 2 March, 2016, things appear to be moving right along. My ambient temperature was 71 degrees when I took a quick peek this morning, and the heart-warming smell of fermenting chokecherries was in the air. I’ll stir tonight when I get home and note any progress.
 
I stirred my chokecherry must again when I got home from work last night. Temperatures were holding steady at 71 degrees, right where they need to be.

Everything looked, smelled and tasted the same as before...only more advanced, better, I'm not sure what the proper term would be. But it definitely seems that we are moving along well. There are still no big, billowing piles of foam on top of the must, as I would have expected before I started this project; however, there were definite visual signs that things were "moving around" as fermentation continues, and I have come to the conclusion that for wine, this must be normal.

I looked in this morning, as well - just a quick peek to make sure that bandits hadn't run off with my wine. Temperature was still the same - 71 degrees - and the wine-ish, chokecherry aroma was really smelling beautiful.

According to schedule, the primary fermentation should be complete tomorrow or Saturday, if my calculations are correct. I will rack this wonderful stuff to a fermenter at that time, and as this wine progresses to what will hopefully be a wonderful end.

What shall my next project be? I'm not sure. It is going to be a little early for dandelion wine, rhubarb wine and any other fruit wine that comes to mind using locally grown or gathered ingredients. I could pick up some good quality IQF fruit of some variety; another option that I have heard of would be to buy fruit puree or possibly use those cans of "Oregon" fruit. I assume that the sugar needs to be accounted for, but a few members of this forum have reported great results. Other options are out there, too - banana wine, perhaps? Or maybe even a second batch of chokecherries - I have more that I got from my dad, so more batches are possible.

I'll think of something....
 
Quick update -

Got home from work tonight and stirred the chokecherry must. Ambient temperature was 72, so I bumped the temp down just a tiny fraction, to keep it in the neighbourhood of 70.

Appearance and aroma were as in previous posts, but apparently further along and more advanced. I did see a tiny bit of foam on top of the must, and a few bubbles rising. Squeezing the mesh bag, it was evident that nearly all of the chokecherry pulp is gone, leaving behind only pits and remnants of skins, as expected.

Tomorrow or Saturday, I'll be racking the wine to the secondary fermentation; then the wait begins! :)

I do have a question about racking from primary to secondary; perhaps @Yooper or someone else can answer it. When racking to secondary, is it necessary (or desirable) to strain it, or should I just transfer the whole shebang over? Instinct tells me NOT to strain it, due to risk of oxidation; however, I figured it would be best to check first.
 
Took a quick look this morning -

The chokecherries are smelling beautiful - I'm loving it!

Ambient temperature was right between 70 and 71 degrees - I think things are going just fine! :)
 
I stirred the must when I got home from work tonight. Ambient temperatures were the same, right about 72 degrees, and it smelled wonderful. As predicted, we're pretty much down to skins and pits in the mesh bag, and the must, while cloudy, had wonderful burgundy colour.

Today marks "Day #5" since I pitched the yeast; there were no visible or obvious signs of activity, but I am certain that fermentation is progressing right along and is transitioning to a slower pace. By the time I begin my next batch, I'll be able to do a better job of keeping track of this; but for now, I think it is ready to rack to its secondary fermentation in my 1-gallon glass fermenter. I will get this done tomorrow or Sunday, as time permits.

I've been wanting to get photos of my progress, but at the moment I'm limited to the mediocre ones that my phone and iPod can take. Here's one that I took after stirring the must this evening:

Chokecherry%20Wine%20-%201st%20Batch%20-%201.jpg
 
I forgot to mention; I have a hydrometer, but nothing to put the must in to test it. I tried tilting the primary bucket enough to make it deep enough, but no luck. I have a test jar/tube thingamajig coming, hopefully tomorrow, so I'll be able to see where I'm at then.

If taste is any indication, I think we're pretty far along. There pretty much no sweetness at all left in the must; rather, it is fairly sour with some bitterness, but still a chokecherry character. I am not 100% up on my wine terms, but if I am correct, there's a fair amount of tannin taste, kind of like dark chocolate without the sugar, or maybe an "oaky" dark wine. It's not unpleasant at all, but since I didn't add any tannin when I started (long story), it is unexpected.
 
Well, today I did receive the hydrometer testing tube in the mail. It was also the day that, by the schedule, I should rack over from my primary bucket to my gallon-sized glass fermenter. I went ahead and did exactly that this evening, and here is what I ended up with:

Chokecherry%20Wine%20-%201st%20Batch%20-%202.jpg


I then tested my must; if I am reading the hydrometer correctly, the measurement is exactly 1.000; it is definitely no lower than that.

The fermenter is currently sitting in my closet, protected from any light that might come into contact with it and finishing the last stages of fermentation while the sediment (lees) settle to the bottom, clearing the wine. As you can see in the photo above, we've got some pretty cloudy stuff, at the moment. This is, I am sure, due to all of the skin and pulp that was fine enough to get through the nylon mesh bag during primary fermentation. Based on my readings, I am sure that it will settle down and clear out quite nicely; I also suspect that as the wine clears, the true, deep burgundy colour of the chokecherry will become evident, as I have seen with many chokecherry wines. But, since this is my first batch, it is all new to me; time will tell.

Right now, with all of the floating particulates, the must is a bit sour and bitter (tannic, maybe?), as would be expected with chokecherry pulp and skins; however, as the wine settles out and clears, I am guessing that this will ease off as well, allowing the real essence of the chokecherry to come through.

I might take a peek at it tomorrow, just to see what's going on and to make sure that the temperatures etc are where they need to be. After that, I will do my best to leave it alone and forget about it for at least a week, in order to let the wine do its thing and come into its own.

More as it happens etc. &c.
 
I took a look at my chokecherry wine just a moment ago. It appears to be doing very well and looks like it is already starting to clear as the sediment has settled down a LOT. I've been describing the colour as deep burgundy, but it would probably be more accurate to say that it is somewhere between a deep burgundy and deep mahogany; either way, it looks beautiful, so far.

Another thing that I noticed is that there had been a little airlock activity, so it seems that some very slow fermentation is taking place. As far as I know, this is perfectly normal.

I'll leave the wine alone for a week and see what we've got next weekend. Hopefully, it will be a really nice sight!
 
You should be a writer. Good job so far. You have lots to learn!
 
Thanks, Luke - my goal is to make a clear, detailed record as much as possible, both for my own edification and also to help anyone who might attempt this in the future.

Here's a quick update and a question, for those who might have an answer:

My chokecherry wine was racked from primary fermentation to my 1 gallon fermenter 8 days ago. SG reading was exactly 1.000, if I am reading it correctly. There was enough to fill just within an inch or so of the top of the fermenter. Temperatures are in the close neighbourhood of 68 degrees.

It looks to be clearing nicely and is getting a really beautiful colour. There is probably half an inch of lees on the bottom, still some clearing to go, of course. This morning I noticed just a bare hint of what I *think* might be a sulfur smell, along with some really nice emerging chokecherry aroma.

My question is, should I go ahead and rack it onto a crushed/diluted campden tablet now, after 8 days, or wait it out to 30 days?

Thanks for any advice -

Ron
 
You can do either, really. I usually finish primary, and dump the entire bucket into my carboy, gross lees and all. Then it's pretty thick after ferment is done, and it's sat a week or so. So I rack into glass again. Then I let that sit for 2-3 months, then rack into glass again, but add some super-kleer. Then I let that sit for 2 weeks, and then bottle.

Bucket, glass, glass, glass, bottles.
 
Sounds good - and it also sounds pretty much like my original plan, so I think we're good to go.


Thanks!


Ron
 
PS - any one who says "rack 6 times and top up with water" really likes watered down wine and lots of extra work...
 
28 March 2016

Here's how it's looking a little over 3 weeks after racking out of primary:

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It's clearing up very well, it's got a nice, rich, deep colour and I think we're onto something good here. I'll probably rack it off the lees next week, which will be after 4 weeks. We'll see.

My dad stopped by while I was checking on it, and of course he had to sample it. Before, it was filled nearly to the top, but now it is down a bit, as shown above. My question is, should I be topping it off, or is it fine at that level?
 
On Sunday, 17 April, I racked my wine over in order to get it off the lees. I used a crushed/dissolved campden tablet in order to ward off any possibility of oxidation, and the procedure went without any hitches that I am aware of.


The wine seems to be clearing very well on its own; I sucked up a little bit of the lees, but not very much at all, considering what was there before. There is a thin film at the bottom of my fermenter now, but nothing that I plan on getting excited about. I'll check it again in a month or so, and rack one more time if necessary before stabilizing and bottling.


Due to my dad's "sampling" and the space that was opened up when I took it off the lees, I did have to top it off a little to get it to the same level as shown above. Since this appears to be a normal procedure and the recipe takes this into account, I am not concerned. I used a cup or so of the same spring water that I use when I started the wine, which has always worked very well in my beer brewing. The next time I make chokecherry wine, I'll be able to top it off with...chokecherry wine! :)


The only questions that I really have at this point would be:


a) Does temperature matter at this point? It is currently in a place where it is around 70 degrees, but if I move it down the dark, cooler basement, I am assuming that it can continue to "do tis thing" undisturbed.


b) Is an airlock still required, or can I use a crew-top lid now that all fermentation is finished?


Other than that, I think I am on my way to some very nice wine. It has an aroma that is really something - I'm still learning my vocabulary for this, but I like it. I took a very small sample that settled out of the lees and found it to be very, very good. It does have a noticeably bitter (tannic?) edge to it, which I am guessing to be expected at this young stage, but with some really nice chokecherry just starting to come through. I suspect that as things come into balance, it is going to be really nice.


I have no plans to back-sweeten at this time, but we'll give more thought to that option when we get to that point.


Near as I can tell, I am very well on track with this. Time will tell, of course ~
 
Well - today, Saturday, 4 June, I tried racking my wine again, after a little nearly 7 weeks of settling and bulk-aging. I snuck (sneaked?) a wee sip before doing so, and it tasted great. Unfortunately, I then proceeded to run into a wee problem.

The wine seemed to have cleared quite well, and there was only a bit of fine sediment on the bottom. I was thinking that after this racking, I'd be ready to bottle in a month or so, but a couple of things happened, and now I don't know if I'll even have good wine.

Here's how it went down: I began racking it over, and everything seemed fine; then, my siphon/tubing started making a sucking noise for some reason, pulling nearly as much air as wine into the fermenter that I was racking into. There was no apparent reason for this, as the end of my siphon was completely submerged nearly to the bottom (and probably picking up a bit of lees, too) as far as I could tell. Then, the siphoning action quit completely, with probably a quart left to go in the racking.

It was here that I did two things that either saved my wine, or ruined it.

First, since there was obviously an issue with the siphon, I carefully poured the last of the wine into the new fermenter, completing the racking over. I was as careful as possible, but of course some air (and lees) got into the new fermenter. I held back maybe a half-cup of wine that was filled with stirred-up sediment. This, by the way, tasted pretty darn good, albeit "muddy." from the lees.

Then, worried about oxidation, I crushed and dissolved a campden tablet in 1/4 cup of hot water, then added 1/4 cup of cold water to bring the temperature of the water to room temperature. I had added a campden tablet with the previous racking (on 17 April), but all things considered, I figured I'd better do it again; however, in doing so, I had no choice but to add a half cup of water to my wine. This had the effect of bringing the level of the wine up into the neck of the fermenter, so perhaps all will be alright, I hope.

So - how bad did I frak this wine up? I don't know; maybe things will be fine; maybe things will be only a little messed up and maybe it's ruined.

Time will tell. I'll take a look at it in a couple of weeks, then see what I have. I will probably not add any finings; but then again, maybe I will. I'll probably cold-crash, stabilise and bottle, in whatever order is appropriate.

Any advice or suggestions would be welcome.
 
I drew out a tiny sample of this last night - maybe enough to fill a shot glass.

This chokecherry wine is tasting very good, I think - especially for a first attempt. It is like a mouthful of chokecherry, without the astringency. There seems to be just a hint of vanilla in the finish - I have no idea how that happened, but I like it.

It's not perfect, by any means. It seems to have a tiny bit too much acidity, and it might be slightly watered down, due to my last fiasco racking, described above. Also, it is certainly has some developing to do, which time in the bottle will achieve - but I think I'm on a good path, here.

My plan is to let it continue to bulk age, then rack one more time before stabilizing and bottling. After that, I'll try to let it age for a few months, but will probably fail.
 
This weekend, I'll most likely rack my chokecherry wine over for the last time before bottling. I'm a little unclear on this step, since I've never done it before, so I have a few questions, if y'all don't mind -

Does anyone have a general, step-by-step "checklist" for this final stage of the wine-making? Should I be cold-crashing and/or stabilizing it now? Or wait a few weeks after this racking before doing so?

The wine seems to have cleared up very nicely on its own, so I don't anticipate the need to add any finings or clearing agents. Should I add a campden tablet one more time before bottling?

I don't plan to back-sweeten, as this wine tastes simply beautiful on its own, even at this relatively young stage. There actually seems to be just a hint of vanilla in there, for reasons I cannot explain, and it is really nice. Has this happened with anyone else?

My dad's batch of wine, which he bottled rather early, in my opinion, tastes great when he opens it and pours a glass, but after about 30 minutes the flavor of the wine in the glass deteriorates quite a bit. Is this an oxidation problem? Would a campden tablet at bottling have prevented this, or is there another way to deal with it so that the same doesn't happen to mine?

Thanks for all feedback and advice -

Ron
 
I received a great reply from Yooper, which I will post here in order to add to the chronicle:

There probably are checklists out there, but for me I generally cold stabilize for a month or so before bottling. It's not critical, but I do that before I rack to the bottling bucket so that more sediment doesn't drop out in the bottle in my cellar.

I use campden/sulfite at every other racking to help prevent oxidation, and add more at bottling.

It does sound like oxidation with your dad's wine. I'm not sure why it would happen in 30 minutes, though, unless it was already present and became worse with some sitting in the glass.
 
I received some additional information from Yooper, which I am posting here so that it is in my records:

If you're not sweetening the wine, I would skip the sorbate. It does have a bit of a protective effect I guess, but I only would use it if I was adding additional fermentables to prevent renewed fermentation. It does impart a taste, although slight, and I prefer to not use it unless necessary.

I was thinking about wine decanting at dinner tonight. Sometimes we decant a big bold wine that may need a bit of time to breathe. It really opens up the wine, but if it's not needed it does detract from the wine. In this case, it sounds like [your dad's] wine was flawed already, but having it sit and interact with oxygen after the pour probably exacerbated it.

Based on this, I will skip the sorbate and go straight to bottling after cold-stabilizing for a few weeks.
 
Well, bad news - I was literally a week from bottling this one - put it in the fridge for its final clearing - and went on a mini-vacation. Meanwhile, my 20-something-year-old son got into it while I was gone, drank a fair portion of it (maybe a third?) and replaced what he drank with....water.

So now I have some wonderful-tasting-yet-watered-down- chokecherry wine.

I'll get it bottled and put up and use it for topping off, I guess, when I start my next batch.

Ron
 
I began a new batch of chokecherry wine last night, 3 October 2016.

The recipe that I used was very close to the same that I used in my previous batch; I modified it just slightly, but not by much:

3 pounds chokecherries
2.5 pounds sugar
1 cup chopped golden raisins (intended to add body to the wine)
1 teaspoon acid blend
1 teaspoon yeast nutrient
Scant 1/4 teaspoon tannin
1 crushed Campden tablet
7 pints Big Spring Water from Lewistown, Montana

As I mentioned, there are a couple of small differences with this batch, compared to my previous batch. I never used any tannin with the first batch, so I am trying it this time, for comparison. The amount of chokecherries and sugar is slightly higher this time, but not by much, simply because that's what I had. My goal is a fruit-forward, strong-ish wine, so I'm not too worried in this department and we'll see how things turn out.

However, I am wondering if I should have left the acid blend at 3/4 teaspoon; Yooper's original recipe calls for 1 teaspoon, but I only used 3/4 teaspoon in my first batch. On one hand, I think I robbed the wine of some flavor by doing this, so I wanted to try Yooper's recommended amount; but on the other hand, the previous batch that I made (with 3/4 of a teaspoon) seemed a little acidic when I was sampling it. Having said that, it never had the chance to age and mellow out, so I am going to try it the way that it was meant to be. Once again, we'll see how it shakes out; I am sure that in the end, these small differences won't matter a heck of a lot, and my wine will be just fine.

I am supposed to add the pectic enzyme this morning at about 10:00 AM, as per the recipe, but since I will be at work, 25 miles from home, I'll have to do it when I get home. Tomorrow morning, 12 hours after adding the pectic enzyme, I'll add the yeast and we'll hopefully get this batch moving along.

More as it happens, etc. & c....

Ron
 
Yesterday when we got home from work, I added 1 teaspoon of pectic enzyme - which helps break down the fruit. This morning, I added 1 package of Montrachet yeast.

Now the fun begins; for the next 6 or 7 days, I will squeeze the bag of chokecherries and stir the must at least once per day, hopefully twice.

So far, everything is normal, as far as I know.
 
Things appear to be going well along with this batch of chokecherry wine. By some fortunate alignment of the planets, I am able to stir the must and press the mesh bag of chokecherries a bit both in the morning and in the evening, which is the best recommended way to tend the wine during this primary fermentation stage.

I'll continue this routine until Sunday evening, at which time I will move the must over to a glass fermenter to finish in "secondary," racking it off the lees once or twice over the next 5 or 6 months until it is ready to bottle.

More as it happens, etc. & c....

Ron
 
I went to stir my chokecherry must last night, and the room was filled with the smell of chokecherries - nice! :)

As I stirred and gently pressed the mesh bag of chokecherries, I noticed a bit of an acidic smell coming up directly from the must; I seem to recall this last time, so I'm not to concerned about it. Fermentation is proceeding well and the few drops of must that I tried tasted like a bit of Heaven, so I won't worry about it.

Of course, if anyone knows otherwise, let me know!

I'm still on schedule to rack this over to secondary this coming Sunday evening - possibly Monday morning. Until then....
 
I've been keeping with the stirring/squeezing schedule; one thing I've noticed is that the aforementioned "acidic" smell is gone, replaced with a very pleasant, rich, almost "spicy" aroma of chokecherries. A tiny taste reveal pretty much the same as before, only more "advanced" in nature.

Will most likely rack to secondary tomorrow night; possibly Monday.
 
I transfered my chokecherry must over to secondary today. All went well, and I had even had a little left over for topping up after the next racking or two. The "extra" is in a small container with no headspace to speak of, and will be used when needed.

It looks like things are going nicely; The must smells wonderful, with prominent chokecherry character and a hint of spiciness that I can't put my finger on, but really enjoy. The little taste that I managed to get promises some really nice things.

We'll see how it goes, but I am cautiously optimistic, so far.
 
I used to love chokecherries growing up (weird I know), this sounds awesome.
 
Hey, @buMbLeB -

First, my sincere apologies for taking so ridiculously long to reply; it's been a long year! LOL

Secondly, it's not weird at all - I enjoy chokecherries off the bush, too. I've found that as they ripen, they lose that astringent edge and are actually quite good...and sweet.

Well, a late update on this -

This time, the boy stayed out of it, and that makes me happy. Since my last posting, I racked this off the lees once or twice, then put it away to bulk-age. For a month or so, I told myself to forget about it, and after a while, I did!

Somewhere in that time, I re-filled the air-lock a couple of times, and finally, a month or so ago, I put a 38-mm cap on the fermenter and put it in the refrigerator, hoping that it would pull down any vestigial sediment etc. Normally, one would add a fining agent, but I did not do that at this time, since it didn't seem to need it. There was just the tiniest bit of sediment on the bottom; but otherwise, the wine seemed wonderfully clear and had a beautiful colour.

Last night, I bottled this wine, and I am thinking that I really have something nice. The normal, "proper" procedure would be to add a crushed campden tablet (dissolved in a bit of warm water) and a half-teaspoon of sorbate. I did not do that this time, for my own reasons, but intend to do so in the future; therefore, I am putting down this procedure so that I won't forget.

Anyway, proceeding with the bottling, I washed and sanitised all equipment, then got down to doing it. It was quite easy, thanks to my mini auto-siphon and bottling wand (thanks for the recommendation on that, @PitRow !) - in fact, it was even easier than bottling beer. One thing I was eager to try was this handy gadget, which turned out to be very easy to use and made corking a breeze:

http://a.co/9P7ZAVw

The are currently unavailable at Amazon, it seems, but can be found here, also:

http://mastervintner.com/master-vintner-mini-corker/

I was expecting to get 4 bottles from the batch, plus a partial fifth bottle; however, I was happily surprised with 5 full bottles. I had just enough left over for a small sample, and it sure was good. The chokecherry came through very well, and I was quite happy to see that it still had the slight, zippy "spiciness" to that I referred to in my post above.

The bottles of chokecherry wine are currently sitting upright, in the dark, while the pressure equalizes and the corks settle in. In a few days, I will store my wine horizontally and leave it alone for a few weeks while the "bottle shock" wears off. I am guessing that when the time comes to sample it, I'll be quite pleased with it. I plan to see how this wine matures over the next year or so, and am hoping for really nice things.

For now, this second recipe that I made looks to be the one to use. I don't see any need for changing it, but will try to improve my methods and practices a bit in the future, including attempting to use some of the additives that can make a good wine even better. I have enough chokecherries in the freezer to start another batch of wine, and will get it started as soon as I can.
 
After having had a chance to try this now, I will say that it is excellent. It is very clear, with wonderful colour (I''ll try to get a photo, next time) and has a very pleasant...aroma? bouquet? Whatever.... There is an amazing flavor overall, but it also has a really nice character that I cannot describe; something that is unique and very enjoyable. It's a tiny bit zippy - in a good way - and I could swear that there is a hint of a spiced vanilla-like quality to it; that's the best description I can give, but I can't account for it because I used nothing for this wine except the chokecherries, along with the usual pectic enzyme, acid blend etc.

The only fly in the soup is that it is just a tad watered down; not nearly as bad as the first batch, but a bit. I don't know if this is from excessive topping off (it shouldn't be, because I didn't top very much off), or if it is from a little bit of surreptitious sampling by my son (it could be, as he has a history of this), but the wine isn't as "full" as it could be.

I'm starting my third batch tonight or tomorrow, and will lock it up if necessary. I'll also be able to top it up (if needed) with actual chokecherry wine, which might also help a bit. I intend to follow my "second" recipe exactly as I did the first time, since the results were so good; I had considered experimenting a bit, using Côte des Blancs yeast, rather than Montrachet; however, since I only have enough chokecherries right now for one 1-gallon batch, I'll stick with a yeast that is tried, true and a proven good performer.
 
Thank you so much for this!! I will be attempting my very first try at making wine later this summer. I decided last year after picking 3 3.5-gallon pails of chokecherries off ONE of my many many trees, that I needed to make more than jellies and syrup. I did pick up the fruit wine kit you talk about, and am waiting for my trees to ripen. I do have a question, in your second recipe what was the final yield in bottles of wine? I just need an idea of how many bottles to acquire for this.
 
Hi, Jenny -

With this 1-gallon batch, you "should" be able to get 5 bottles; depending on some circumstances, you might only get 4 bottles.

Hope this helps -

Ron
 
A couple of weeks ago, we enjoyed an older bottle of my chokecherry wine while sitting at a campfire and looking at the stars:

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The wine looked great and tasted great, so I'd say that the basic idea behind this recipe and method works very well, and I expect future batches to only get better!

We are heading toward the end of summer; in a month or so, I expect to be out picking quite a few chokecherries so as to lay over a good supply for syrup, jelly and other projects - including, of course, more wine.
 
We are heading toward the end of summer; in a month or so, I expect to be out picking quite a few chokecherries so as to lay over a good supply for syrup, jelly and other projects - including, of course, more wine.

Mine are ready now, well starting anyway, some are still red, but most are black and fall off the stem if touched, so I picked today, 21pounds which translated into 3- 1-gallon containers at 7lbs each. And I only picked 1/2 of one tree, we have at least 10 trees, maybe more! I need more freezer space!!! Then there are the crabapples, and after that the apples.......definitely will need more freezer space!
 
Hi, GF - and thanks! I think that the fire behind it helped quite a bit, but I sure liked it. The wine tasted great, already has me thinking of future batches. I've got one gallon in secondary, and it's almost time to gather chokecherries for 2018, so there will be many more, hopefully.
 
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