Leaf Hop Absorption Measured - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients > Leaf Hop Absorption Measured

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-22-2011, 11:27 PM   #1
ChemE
 
ChemE's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Mar 2008
Columbia, SC
Posts: 596
Liked 17 Times on 10 Posts



I have searched this topic several times over the last three years and I've always been shocked and disappointed with the lack of careful measurement regarding this topic. I'm brewing a barleywine tomorrow with an OG of 1.120 and five ounces of whole leaf hops (it's just a 3 gallon batch) so I'm very interested in how much of my precious barleywine those pesky hops are going to drink up.

I decided to conduct a simple stove-top experiment to get a number. 0.39 ounces of 2008 cascade hops sacrificed themselves for our collective knowledge. Below is the simple setup consisting of a hop bag, the cascade hops, a small pot of water, and of course a gram scale.

Experimental Setup


I wanted to make the amount of water that the hop bag absorbed a non-issue, so I soaked it in the boiling water for a minute and then hung it by its drawstring for two minutes to allow it to drain. This is how I drain my hops over the boil kettle while I chill. The damp/wet hop bag had a mass of 28 grams.

Wet/Damp Hop Bag Being Weighed


Next step was to add the hops (but not the oxygen absorber!) and boil for 20 minutes. I assume this is long enough for them to absorb what they can but this is an assumption. After their boil, I hung the bag from the drawstring again for two minutes to simulate draining over the boil kettle. I did not squeeze the bag since it is claimed that this extracts tannins (another theory which wants to be tested).

Hops Being Drained for Two Minutes via Gravity


Wet/Damp Hops Being Weighed


So, the final mass is 93 grams less the 28 grams for the wet hop bag and less 11.1 grams for the dry hops yields a mass increase due to water absorption of 54 grams. Scaling this up from 0.39 ounces of hops to a full ounce takes us to 138.3 grams of water gain or 138.3 mL of water absorbed. The converts to 0.146 quarts of water per ounce of whole leaf hops. My data appears below.

Data and Calculations


Some assumptions and sources of error:
1) I assume that 20 minutes is sufficient to completely hydrate the hops
2) I assume that tap water goes into the hops just as readily as sweet wort
3) I assume that the specific gravity of the water that went into the hops is 1.00
4) All weights taken on a gram scale so precision could be higher

I think these assumptions are safe and the source of error minimal. Overall I trust this number but certainly welcome feedback or suggestions. I hope the community finds this useful.
__________________

My Super Efficient 5-Gallon Mash Lauter Tun Graduating Carboys Leaf Hop Absorption Measured
Primary - Bemused Bitter, Munich Saaz SMaSH
Secondary - Air
Bottled - Oatmeal Stout 2011, Apfelwein, Withdrawn Wheat, Bourbon Barrel Barleywine SMaSH, Christmas Ale 2010, Perplexed Pale Ale

Reason: illiteracy

4
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2011, 07:29 AM   #2
shauntraxler
Recipes 
 
Jan 2011
Kissimmee, Fl
Posts: 278
Liked 7 Times on 7 Posts


Seems solid to me. Nice write-up.
__________________
Primary: Soon to be Irish Red
Secondary: DiSaronno Nut Brown (RECIPE)
Bottled: -Peanut Butter Stout (RECIPE)
-Hop Head's Weizen-bock (RECIPE)
-Cucumber and Coriander Wheat (RECIPE)
-Banana's Foster Ale (RECIPE)
-90 Minute IPA

 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2011, 12:16 PM   #3
Dogphish
Recipes 
 
Nov 2010
Beach, VA
Posts: 651
Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts


i don't think that squeezing the hops will extract tannins. i believe that only the grains have tannins that you should worry about. i asked that exact question on this forum before, and that was the general consensus.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2011, 09:48 PM   #4
cjb
Recipes 
 
Mar 2011
Portland, OR
Posts: 206
Liked 6 Times on 6 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogphish View Post
i don't think that squeezing the hops will extract tannins. i believe that only the grains have tannins that you should worry about. i asked that exact question on this forum before, and that was the general consensus.
Yeah, I had the same misconception, based on warnings against squeezing the grain bag. Asked on another forum, and was told it's not an issue for hops.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2011, 10:03 PM   #5
timbudtwo
Recipes 
 
Jan 2008
San Ramon, CA
Posts: 326
Liked 11 Times on 11 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogphish View Post
i don't think that squeezing the hops will extract tannins. i believe that only the grains have tannins that you should worry about. i asked that exact question on this forum before, and that was the general consensus.
You can squeeze grains too. It doesn't release tannins, high temperatures do. That was an old brewers-wife tale.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/do-y...g-biab-177051/

passedpawn Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2011, 10:55 PM   #6
ChemE
 
ChemE's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Mar 2008
Columbia, SC
Posts: 596
Liked 17 Times on 10 Posts


Hmm, now I wish I had gone a step further and wrung the heck out of the hop bag after I let it gravity drain. I'll perform that measurement next week when I get back in town (business travel).
__________________

My Super Efficient 5-Gallon Mash Lauter Tun Graduating Carboys Leaf Hop Absorption Measured
Primary - Bemused Bitter, Munich Saaz SMaSH
Secondary - Air
Bottled - Oatmeal Stout 2011, Apfelwein, Withdrawn Wheat, Bourbon Barrel Barleywine SMaSH, Christmas Ale 2010, Perplexed Pale Ale

 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2012, 01:14 AM   #7
itoriapt
Recipes 
 
Mar 2011
Edmond, OK
Posts: 10
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts


Nice work, good sir

 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2012, 06:08 PM   #8
Dirty25
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
Dirty25's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jul 2012
Mackenbach, Germany
Posts: 262
Liked 19 Times on 17 Posts


I would have thought they absorbed more than that. Last time I dry hoped 3oz of leaf hops I swear I lost a half gallon. Great work for figuring this all out..

 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 05:47 PM   #9
ChrisNH
Recipes 
 
Aug 2010
Dover, New Hampshire
Posts: 62

Came across this thread and had to chime in that while this experiment seems valid my anecdotal evidence suggests a lot more absorption.

Perhaps some confounding factors are:

1. Dryness of the hops.
2. Integrity of the hop (does a whole bud absorb more then a shredded bud?)
3. The impact of the boil process
4. The total volume of the mass vs time left to drip.

I do know that no matter how well I try to drain, when I come back to the kettle to dump and clean later more wort has magically appeared which tells me "time to drip" is probably a significant factor. I don't like to leave things exposed for a long time during the vulnerable stage of the wort.

Regards,

Chris
__________________
Seacoast New Hampshire
Live Free or Die!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 07:51 PM   #10
Denny
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Recipes 
 
Jun 2005
Eugene, OR
Posts: 4,703
Liked 624 Times on 447 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by timbudtwo View Post
You can squeeze grains too. It doesn't release tannins, high temperatures do. That was an old brewers-wife tale.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/do-y...g-biab-177051/
No, high pH extracts tannins. Nothing wrong with high temps if your pH is OK. How would people do decoctions otherwise?
__________________
Life begins at 60....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

http://www.experimentalbrew.com - "Homebrew All Stars" now shipping!

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bay Leaf? dockmasterjc Recipes/Ingredients 20 12-07-2011 02:25 PM
Whole Hop Absorption Walker Recipes/Ingredients 24 04-22-2011 11:34 PM
Are EKG ever available in Leaf? Brewing Clamper Recipes/Ingredients 7 03-05-2010 11:52 PM
leaf hops hopsalot Recipes/Ingredients 2 08-24-2008 12:04 AM
Leaf Hop Absorption captaineriv Recipes/Ingredients 15 03-20-2006 03:00 PM


Forum Jump