Mr. Mojo Rising
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Is my One Step a true replacement for the bleach I have been using to sanitize? It says no-rinse cleanser?
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No - not when mixed in their proper concentrations. It should say on the label how to use it. More is not better, either - just mix what it says, and it should be fine.kingjam said:Do you have to rinse Iodophor, Star san off
Tony said:Some companies try to say it is a sanitizer, but in reality it is only a cleaner. Percarbonates do not act as a germicide and do not kill bacteria. You need Iodophor, Star San and the likes to kill bacteria. This is confusing to so may people because of advertising.
the_bird said:I've *heard* that One-Step is not marketed as a sanitizer solely because they would be held to much higher marketing standards if they make that claim.
With that said, I find Iodophor to be cheap and effective, to leave no flavor in the beer, and not only is no-rinse - it really doesn't need to be dried all that well, just get most of it out of the fermenter or off your gear. I remember One-Step being quite a bit more expensive, although I will confess that I may not have been using it at the proper dilution rate (it's been a while since I used it).
the_bird said:For giggles, you should do the calcs for Star-San as well. Gotta prep for a meeting or I'd do it myself...
EdWort said:I picked up a gallon of Star San for $26 when I facilitated a bulk grain buy. That brings my price per gallon of sanitizer down to $0.04.
Since I'm on septic, Iodophor is out. Starsan is septic friendly, plus I don't mind racking into a carboy full of foam. I pour it back into my sanitizing bucket and resuse it till the pH level changes. I then start fresh. I also keep some in a spray bottle for other surfaces.
For me, Starsan Rocks!:rockin:
MA_Brewer said:Do people here wear gloves? I just switched over to star san, and I didn't wear gloves, my skin didn't melt off. Maybe with prolonged exposure, or if I used it more often...?
Gedvondur said:Ummm....I hate to be a jerk about this but...
Logic said:What is the difference between a sanitizer and a cleanser?
In the U.S.A., "sanitizer" is a legal term defined by the Environmental Protection Agency. In order for a product to be called a sanitizer in promotional literature or on its packaging, that product must be approved by the EPA, assigned a registration number, and have an open file maintained with the EPA. Unless a company would like to invest an enormous amount of capitol in this process (or use another company's product through a process called "sub-registration"), they may not call their product a sanitizer.
If you purchase a bottle of bleach from the grocery store, unless it shows an EPA registration number on the front of the label, it is not a sanitizer. However, it will certainly be a good cleanser (although somewhat hazardous, not environmentally sound, and it will require rinsing).
Is One Step a sanitizer?
Read the above question and draw your own conclusions. One Step has been used with excellent results since 1992.
Jack said:According to Logic...
I use One Step as a sanitizer and I have never had any problems with it. For me, I don't care whether it is or not because it works. Period.
Jack said:According to Logic...
I use One Step as a sanitizer and I have never had any problems with it. For me, I don't care whether it is or not because it works. Period.
The ability to reuse is one of the reasons that I switched, now I just have to figure out how I am going to keep tabs on the PH. Test strips?Brewsmith said:Star San dries out my skin a little, but it's less than all the concrete I normally work with, so I don't care. Also as far as costs go, you can reuse Star san, lowering the cost dramatically per brew.
My feeling is that it is really a cleaner, not an effective sanitizer. C Brite used to be marketed as a sanitizer, but it is no longer packaged that way. I switched to Star San for my sanitizer.jagg said:What are yall's feelings on using B-brite sanitizer?
EdWort said:I picked up a gallon of Star San for $26 when I facilitated a bulk grain buy. That brings my price per gallon of sanitizer down to $0.04.
Since I'm on septic, Iodophor is out. Starsan is septic friendly, plus I don't mind racking into a carboy full of foam. I pour it back into my sanitizing bucket and resuse it till the pH level changes. I then start fresh. I also keep some in a spray bottle for other surfaces.
For me, Starsan Rocks!:rockin:
What will Iodophor do to a septic system? I assume ruin it, but how? Further, how do you know if you have a septic system? And since I seem to know nothing about anything...What is the land speed of the Cheeta? :fro:
I will be making my first brew this weekend and am planning on using One Step to sanitize.
The package of One Step I am planning to use is about 15 years old - never been opened. Does anyone know if this stuff breaks down over time or should I feel confident in using it?
Since my LHBS is a distance away - it's either gonna be this or bleach me thinks.
However StarSan is not recommended for soft metals or plastics, and you should wear gloves when using it, it is acidic.Gedvondur
Ummm....I hate to be a jerk about this but.......Hydrogen Peroxide certainly does act as an anti-bacteriological agent. It is a sanitizer.
From Wikipedia:
"Hydrogen peroxide is GRAS (Generally Recognised As Safe) as an antimicrobial agent, an oxidizing agent and more by the US Food and Drug Administration.[8] Hydrogen peroxide can also be used as a toothpaste when mixed with correct quantities of baking soda and salt.[9] Like benzoyl peroxide, hydrogen peroxide is also sometimes used in the treatment of acne."
You are simply wrong about One-Step. It is a sanitizer, as it releases hydrogen peroxide and soda ash and acts as a sanitizer. I'm not sure where the logic of claiming it isn't is coming from.
Gedvondur
iambeer said:No one responded to this. Obviously it's true that hydrogen peroxide is a powerful disinfectant, but is there enough of a % to kill bacteria? typical home use hydrogen peroxide is 3% and it is very powerful.
IMHO one-step and other percarbonate based cleaners (including PBW and oxi-clean) do effectively sanitize if used properly, but i admit that i have joined the church of star-san for sake of peace of mind.
I figure if you clean all the gunk off of your gear, and use it immediately thereafter (rinsing twice if you are using PBW or oxi-clean), you are unlikely to get an infection unless you are using a badly scratched ale pail or something - which is not going to get effectively sanitized by star-san either.
But CIP no-rinse sanitizing with an agent that breaks down into yeast nutrient (vs. sodium carbonate which can slow fermentation) just makes sense.
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