Vigorous Fermentation - Dry vs Liquid Yeast

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I have always been a user of liquid yeast and using a starter. Typically when I follow that philosophy, my fermentations have been extremely vigorous - always requiring a blow-off tube regardless of SG. Well, because of some poor planning I had to use some Nottingham in a 1.070 chocolate stout (pitched 13 rehydrated grams according to MrMalty). I aerated as always and fermentation kicked off in about 7 hours. However, I didn't get anywhere near the vigorous fermentation I normally get when using liquid yeast and a starter and now the krausen has already settled back in and it's been less than 48 hours. Is this pretty normal? Dry yeast, even if pitched with the proper amount, doesn't ferment as vigorously as a liquid yeast starter?
 
Naw, dry yeast can be very active too. Although a dry yeast packet contains a lot of cells, likely your starters contain a lot more. So, I'd say it just comes down to numbers.

If you don't buy this, try running a new wort onto an active dry yeast cake (from a previous batch). It will take off!
 
Two blowoffs in two batched. My Barelywine made with a 3/4 gallon starter of liquid cali ale yeast. It blew the lid on my bucket and tossed the quart spray bottle of starsan that was on top of it about 2 feet. That was about 20 hours after yeast pitch.

The next batch, my Sri Lankin Stout, was 2 packets of s-04 dry yeast. Blew the lid 4 feet off the bucket, and sprayed the back wall with krausen. That was 12 hours after pitch.

Whether or not the yeast was dry or liquid, has little or no bearing on activity of fermentation.
 
Whether or not the yeast was dry or liquid, has little or no bearing on activity of fermentation.

OK - so the next question is...is it a bad thing that my fermentation wasn't as vigorous as it typically is? Haven't done a gravity reading yet as it's still bubbling away....
 
OK - so the next question is...is it a bad thing that my fermentation wasn't as vigorous as it typically is? Haven't done a gravity reading yet as it's still bubbling away....

No. You're worrying too much. Time to post this:

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I just posted this in another thread...

There really is no "slow" or "fast" fermentation (unless you're temps are high and the yeast are going gangbusters) there just is fermentation. If you have krausen you have fermentation, regardless of the fact that it took 3 hours to form to it's largest size or 30....It really doesn't matter one bit.

The amount of krausen can vary for whatever reason, it can come quick and depart quickly or it can linger long after fermentation is complete, and it all be normal.

There is nothing "typical" in brewing...every fermentation is different, and should not be used to compare one with another...you can't do that.

No two fermentations are ever exactly the same.

When we are dealing with living creatures, there is a wild card factor in play..Just like with other animals, including humans...No two behave the same.

You can split a batch in half put them in 2 identical carboys, and pitch equal amounts of yeast from the same starter...and have them act completely differently...for some reason on a subatomic level...think about it...yeasties are small...1 degree difference in temp to us, could be a 50 degree difference to them...one fermenter can be a couple degrees warmer because it's closer to a vent all the way across the room and the yeasties take off...

Someone, Grinder I think posted a pic once of 2 carboys touching each other, and one one of the carboys the krausen had formed only on the side that touched the other carboy...probably reacting to the heat of the first fermentation....but it was like symbiotic or something...

With living micro-organisms there is always a wildcard factor in play...and yet the yeast rarely lets us down. So it is best just to rdwhahb and trust that they know to what they are doing. It sounds like you are brewing by a calendar, or instructions and not by what your beer is really doing, the problem is that yeast don't know how to read so they seldom follow their scripts. They dance to their own tune and its seldom 4 x 4 Time. ;)

Don't assume the worst with the yeast, realize that they've been making beer since long before our great great great grandfather copped his first buzz from a 40 of mickey's out back of the highschool, so they are the experts.

Yeasts are like teenagers, swmbos, and humans in general, they have their own individual way of doing things.

And worrying because it's not happening how fast or slow you think it should be is really not worth the energy.

It may not be what you expected it to be but that doesn't mean anything's wrong.

I find that brewing is a lot more stress free if I don't compare one batch to another. I subscribe to the I trust the yeast club. They've never let me down.
 
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