Let me rephrase. If you can make good beer and Jamil can make great beer with the Mr malty calculator, why worry about it. I figure I am using one of many proven processes and it's working for them and for me. I'm not going to be changing until I fix the other things I am inconsistent at (mash temps and sparging come to mind).
I just don't see any reason to complicate it more than it already is unless you are going pro, in which case I hope you are far more advanced than myself. I would love to try some of your beer regardless of your yeast calculator as it sounds like you are being at a high level.
Cheers Brewski!
I agree with your point. I am in no way brewing at a high level. I guess it's like any other "hobby", I like to learn and perform as best that "I" can.
One of the things that I have heard frequently is that you can make better beer by learning your yeast. I'm just trying to do the best I can with what I have so when I see these contradictory "calculaters" by experts that we all take advice from it makes me frustrated (not in a negative way!). I'll stay with JZ'z method for now because it works for me and I have been consistant. I'm not opposed to making any changes if I need to but I trust the work that he has done by himself and Chris White.
With regards to other parts of the process, I am constantly trying to improve on those as well. I think this is all part of the things we do for a hobby that we all are very passionate about. Some of this is way over my head but so was "all-grain" at one point.
Bob, I have really enjoyed your responses and passion on these topics and I have learned a few things in the process. I actually ran across this blog yesterday and when I read it I thought this made your point that you were trying to make originally (almost 3 years ago
). It's by Mitch Steele of Stone Brewery.
Granted he is a commercial, professional brewer that has to produce a consistant product, but I think his point is parallel to yours. We SHOULD strive to make the best beer we can make. I hope it's OK to post this without his permission...
"To The Stone Brew Crew:
Whenever we put out a new beer, Im always asked who came up with the recipe?, and I am uncomfortable answering that question, because it is a simple answer that really doesnt accurately convey why the beer is successful and tastes delicious.
I think far too much credit is given to the formulation/recipe for a beers success. I honestly believe that recipe formulation is one of the easiest parts of making a great beer, and accounts for about 5-10% of its potential success. In my opinion, anyone with some understanding of ingredients and styles can create a great recipe, but actually working with that recipe to brew a great beer is the hard part.
Think about it:
1. Without having sufficient supply of the highest quality ingredients, the beer will fail. This means formulating the beer knowing what ingredients are of the highest quality and their availability. Nothing ruins a good beer quicker than having to make inadequate ingredient substitutions.
2. Without having a robust brewhouse that produces consistent wort, and without having a pure yeast strain and carefully monitored fermentations, the beer will fail. Fermentation provides most of the Beer flavor you get in beer. Poor yeast health, improper temperature control, or insufficient oxygen addition will cause a poor fermentation with off-flavors.
3. Without having well designed, high quality, reliable production equipment that is maintained and optimized on a regular basis, the beer will fail. You need equipment that will allow you to produce consistent, high quality beer.
4. Without a great team of brewers, who understand craft beer, the beer they are brewing, and the best practices and procedures needed to make that beer, the beer will fail. Our brewers need to be equipped with the education and experience to make smart decisions that are in the best interest of beer quality.
5. Without having 100% focus on sanitation and cleanliness in the brewery, the beer will fail. This has killed many, many small brewers in the past 25 years.
6. Its often stated that nothing good can happen to a beer when it is packaged. Without a great team who bottle and keg the beer, who understand the quality that needs to go into every single package, and who know how to respond when quality issues start to appear, the beer will fail.
7. Without a QA team that accurately measures the progress of the beer and reports it to the team, and looks for ways to improve our understanding of what is happening in the brewing, fermentation, finishing, and packaging processes, the beer will fail.
8. Without proper scheduling of the brewing and packaging of the beer, the beer will either sit too long, or not long enough in the tank, or will be shorted in supply to our sales team, who can then lose valuable handles and shelf space. Ultimately, without proper planning, the beer will fail.
9. Without having a sales and media team that understands the industry and our beers, and works tirelessly to ensure awareness, and deliver our message and vision, the beer will fail.
10. Without having company leadership that encourages risk taking, focuses on taste and quality, supports innovation in everything the company does, listens and supports creative ideas from the team, and supports all of the above items, the beer will fail.
My point is that while its great to get accolades about creating a beer recipe, not enough credit is given to the other critical parts of brewing a great beer, some of which are listed above. There are plenty more components that go into making a great beer, and everyone on our team plays a very important role in our success."