Ok, sorry, that was a rushed post. Here is some more information, last beer was an American Pale Ale kit but I pitched Wyeast Abbey for some Belgiany goodness. OG was a bit off, but I attributed that to not mixing the best, the FG was targeted at 1.012 and I got 1.007. I used a weird method for my starter, made the starter wort like normal 100 grams of DME per liter, but split it into two 1 liter flasks and split the vial also. ended up w a starter of about 1.6 liters. Pitched at full krasuen. I did not use Mr.malty becasue last time it told me I needed 8 smack packs of Pacman for an IPA of average gravity based on the date of the yeast! The yeast was not overly old and stored well. I did the same starter method and beer was fantastic, best brew I have done so far.