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My first brew attempt. Everything went fairly smoothly except for the yeast. The liquid yeast was left at room temperature for a four days because I thought it was dry yeast and I went on vacation. When I got back and got ready to brew the batch, I realized what I had done but said to heck with it, and brewed it up anyway.

I know. I didn't know I could make a starter out of LME, or I would've done that. Live and learn.

Anyway, I'm looking at about 50 hours with no fermentation so far, and no extra yeast. I've got some on the way, but it will be at least tomorrow if not Wednesday before it arrives. By then I'm looking at well over 72 hours with no fermentation, assuming the yeast I pitched is well and truly dead.

How long before I just acknowledge I did something stupid, chuck my wort, and brew another batch?
 
have you checked the gravity with a hydrometer? That is the only way to determine if fermentation is happening...plus 50 hours would be a miraculous lag time for liquid yeast without a starter
 
I'm not an experienced brewer by any means, but wondering if you took SG readings to determine no fermentation, or if you are just checking the airlock?
 
Don't toss the wort, it sometimes takes up to 72 HOURS for it to even start fermenting, especially when viability is low. Also, how are you seeing no fermentation? Have you taken hydrometer readings? An airlock is not a good way to measure fermentation activity. I'm sure Revvy will tell you this as well. RDWHAHB, or since this is your first, relax, don't worry, have a craft brew.
 
I took an original gravity after I figured out how to use the hydrometer, and just about 1.60.

I haven't taken another reading, but I will this afternoon.
 
Never just chuck it unless it is infected and tastes like "satan's anus."

You are most likely fine, room temp is well within yeasts survivable temp range. It isn't dead, there is probably just more lag because you didn't create a starter.

I'm sure everything will be fine.

Also, how do you know there has been no fermentation? Are you taking hydrometer samples?
 
Last liquid I used was wyeast 1056 in a smack pack. I smacked it, and it was swelled right up like a football, and it still took a couple of days for it to begin vigorously fermenting. So I'm saying hang loose until day 4 before you decide.
 
OK, as much as I said I wouldn't, I guess I'm getting paranoid. I'll report back when I've taken another hydrometer reading.
 
This is my standard "new brewer" answer to your question...

You should never rely on the bubbling or lack of on a cheap plastic airlock as a "fermentation Gauge," it's not...It's an airlock, nothing more, a VALVE to release excess CO2, to keep from blowing the lid off the fermentor...

If it's not bubbling that just means that there's not enough CO2 to climb out of the airlock, or the CO2 is just forming a nice cushion on top of the beer like it's supposed to, or the airlock is askew, or it is leaking out the cheap rubber grommet, or you have a leak in the bucket seal, or around the carboy grommet...all those are fine...if CO2 is getting out then nothing's getting in....

Over half of my beers have had no airlock activity...AND that is spread out among carboys, buckets. water bottles, and anything else I may ferment in, and regardless of the type of airlock...I have 9 different fermenters...

That's why I and many others say repeatedly that the only gauge of fermentaion is your hydrometer (or refractometer) . Those are precision calibrated instruments...

More than likely your fermentation is going nicely at it's own pace but for a dozen possible reasons your airlock isn't bubbling...simple as that. Get out of the habit of thinking it is a precision instrument and you will find you are less worried...The only precise methid of gauging fermentation is taking gravity readings.

Back in the bad old days, the predominant airlock was an s type...and often they were made of glass and sat relatively heavy in the grommet, and that's where people like papazain and those who influenced him got into the habit of counting bubbles...but now adays with 3 piecers being the norm, and most things being made crappy these days...it's just not a reliable means anymore.


The trouble is, that even the authors for the most part have been brewing so long that they don't pay attention to the airlock, yet the perpetuate the myth from the old days of bubbles meaning anything....though I figure, as a writer myself, they have long moved past the basic methodology that they wrote about...it's easy to do...to "preach" something very basic, while doing a process somewhat more complex...or like most of us who have been brewing awhile, taking shortcuts.

Co2 is heavier than air...there can be plenty of co2 going on, plenty of active fermentation happenning but there is not enough excess co2 rising or venting out to actually lift the plastic bubbler

The 3 piece airlock is the most fallable of them all, often there is simply not a strong enough escape of co2 to lift the bubbler. Or they can be weighted down with co2 bubbles, ir hteir is a leak in the grommet or the bucket seal, anynumber of factors.

If you push down on your bucket lid often you will suddenly get a huge amount of bubbling as you off gass the co2 that is there present but no needing to vent on it's own.

I find that the older S type airlocks, even plastic are much more reliable...in face I have started to use those old school ones exclusively. Not to use them as a gauge of fermentation...but because I like to watch the bubbles..

But even those don't always bubble..BUT you can tell theres CO2 pushing out because the liquid will be on the farthest side away from the grommet or bung hole.


Even not bubbling. you can see that something has pushed the water to the other side...
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There's quite a few people on here who do not use an airlock at all, they simply loosely place their lids on the bucket, or cover with saran wrap, or tinfoil or pieces of plexigalss, these just sit on the top and if the CO2 needs to void out it doess...Because as I said before if the co2 is pushing out, then NOTHING is getting in.

If you look around on here at all the supposed "stuck" fermentation panic thread are not true Stuck fermentations, or deads yeasts, but are simply people like you using treating the vent like some precision instrument...And they, just like you use the words "Signs of fermentation." And that is our clue that you are going by arilocks.

And 90% or more come back and say they took a hydro reading...and everything was fine...

Rarely do yeasts these days get stuck...this isn't like the 70's when there was one or two strains of yeast, and they came from Europe in dried out cakes, and nowadays with our hobby so popular, even most tinned kits with the yeast under the lid trun over so fast that they are relatvely fresh most of the time.

So nowadays the only way our yeast "dies" or poops out is 1)If we pitch it into boiling wort 2) There is a big temp drop and the yeasts go dormant and flocculate out, or 3) if there is a high grav wort and the yeast maxes out in it's ability to eat all the sugar...and even then the yeast may poop out at either 1.030 or 1.020...But other than that most fermentations take....

AND this is regardless of any airlock bubbling...

Seriously, many of us pitch our yeast, walk away for a month and then bottle, and our beers have turned out great...The yeasts have been doing this for 5,000 years...they know what they're doing,

Hope this helps! You will find you are much more relaxed and able to RDWHAHB...if you ignore the airlock...

and read this as well...http://blogs.homebrewtalk.com/Revvy/Think_evaluation_before_action/

:mug:

Revvy answers this all the time.
 
Ha, I guess this thread is prototypical of the beginner's forum. I get home this evening to take a reading, and it's bubbling like crazy.

FWIW, my original point wasn't should I toss it out -now-, but theoretically, how long is too long to leave wort sitting out with no fermentation. I'm wondering if this is a completely moot point.

I guess the answer is, "as long as it doesn't taste or smell like ass."

Anyway, another success story for "shut up and wait a while." Thanks everybody. Will update in a few more weeks.
 
Ha, I guess this thread is prototypical of the beginner's forum. I get home this evening to take a reading, and it's bubbling like crazy.

FWIW, my original point wasn't should I toss it out -now-, but theoretically, how long is too long to leave wort sitting out with no fermentation. I'm wondering if this is a completely moot point.

I guess the answer is, "as long as it doesn't taste or smell like ass."

Anyway, another success story for "shut up and wait a while." Thanks everybody. Will update in a few more weeks.

It's a great thread. :rockin:
 
Nice....:ban:

Head explosions = scattered brain matter + wasted beer (if it was consumed prior to explosion of head) + a messy work area:drunk:
 
Update: I let it stay in the primary for 4 weeks, and bottled a little over a week ago.

Popped one of the bottles Saturday to see where I was at. Tasted good. Better than I expected.

I think another week of bottle conditioning, and it'll be damn good.

The only other problem I had was that I was sloppy when racking to my bottling bucket, and sucked up too much "crap." I ended up wasting several bottles worth of beer due to floating debris and sediment that I didn't want to bottle. Think I still got 42 bottles though, which isn't horrible to me.
 
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