Good time to order a vessel for secondary, if you are going to have to wait a week or two anyways!
Yea batch became like 8.5 gallons and I only have one container that can hold that...
Good time to order a vessel for secondary, if you are going to have to wait a week or two anyways!
Yea batch became like 8.5 gallons and I only have one container that can hold that...
If your not going to use a secondary I'd check the gravity before adding to make sure it's close to where you want it. I just moved mine from one bucket to the other clean one and put the cherries on the bottom before I move it. Not sure if it makes much of a difference but I did it to remove the cake so it might be a little cleaner when I put it into the keg.
My cherries will add 333 grams of sugar or .734 lbs or ~30 gravity points or 3.85 total OG raise.
so .4% abv give or take a little.
Im using canned cherries I would assume the gram amounts of sugar is correct. And are you positive its the exact recipe? not different quantities?
From what i have heard yes it is...without the cherries and without the choc malt. The amount of choc malt being used though is so low i cant see it adding that much ABV.
Of course just because the brewery says it is the same, doesnt mean it really is exactly the same. No way of knowing unless we get to actually see their recipes...and you know that isnt going to happen...
Well according to beersmith in a 5.5 gallon batch it would take 20 lbs of cherries to get 2% abv to bring it from a 9% to an 11%. There is no way that many cherries are in there or it would sell for 20$ a 12 oz bottle.
Not sure if this has been covered, but has anyone tried to email Troegs and ask about the recipe? I emailed Terrapin with a rough recipe of moo-hoo to ask if it was close, and the head brewer got back to me with suggestions. He said that the base malt was 65-75%, this malt was 5-10%, etc. You would be surprised how helpful some breweries are.
I dont think anyone has...maybe i will send them an email and at least see what they have to say...
It never hurts to try. I have emailed three breweries about a recipe. One gave me the exact recipe for a 5 gallon batch, one gave me rough percentages, and one denied me. I was pretty surprised I got 2 out of 3 recipes
Well i just sent them an email, so i guess we will wait and see what happens.
Ill aim for 1 week to add cherries next time. figure 2 weeks for complete fermentation. I cant imagine it makes that big of a differance.This is the recipe i am going to use next time i make. it has 20% munich and i added to the Belgian Pils so i will hit 10.67% ABV, If you add the .4% ABV that poptarts figured for the cherries it will give us right at the 11% mark which is what it should be.
14.5 lbs Belgian Pils
3.7lbs Belgian Munich
3 oz Belgian Chocolate (Malt)
Mash at 152*
Mashout at 170*
1 oz Hallertau at 90 min
0.5 oz Saaz at 20 min
2 lbs Clover Honey at 20 min
4 cans cherries halfway through fermentation (2 sweet, 2 sour) (figuring about day 4ish?)
Yeast : Wyeast 3787
Does anyone have thoughts on when halfway thru fermentation would be? I was thinking day 4, but it might be later...?
Ill aim for 1 week to add cherries next time. figure 2 weeks for complete fermentation. I cant imagine it makes that big of a differance.
Ok so I received an email back already. It helped out a bit with some of the timelines and grain %
My beer is 10 days old today so i should be pretty close to the mark on that, looks like my munich made up 15% not 20% so shouldn't bee too far off. My IBU is 14.9 since I did a 30 minute and 0 minute addition on the second hops.
My beer is 10 days old today so i should be pretty close to the mark on that, looks like my munich made up 15% not 20% so shouldn't bee too far off. My IBU is 14.9 since I did a 30 minute and 0 minute addition on the second hops.
Added cherries last night, krausen was pretty much fallen. Smelled like alcohol and funk.
Hi Sam -
Your grain bill looks good. We add our second hop and honey with 20 minutes left in the 90 minute boil.
We use .05 lbs. of honey per gallon and also add some cane sugar to boost starting gravity.
Beer usually finishes around 3.5 plato. We add the cherries about half way through fermentation at a rate of .4 lbs. per gallon.
Hope this helps you get closer to Mad Elf. Cheers!
Sincerely,
Jeff Herb
Your recipe should definitely get you close to Mad Elf. Munich malt makes up 20% of the grist for Mad Elf. We add our second hop and honey with 20 minutes left in the 90 minute boil, then add cherries about half way through fermentation at a rate of .4 lbs. per gal.
Naked Elf has no cherries, honey or chocolate malt. We also lower the gravity of the beer for a lower ABV.
BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Mad Elf
Brewer: Sam
Asst Brewer:
Style: Belgian Dark Strong Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0) https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/troegs-mad-elf-435795/
Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.79 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.46 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.098 SG
Estimated Color: 12.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 14.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.7 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
1.00 Items Campten (Mash 0.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 9 -
0.25 tsp Yeast Energizer (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 11 -
0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 10 -
13 lbs 3.2 oz Pilsner (2.3 SRM) Grain 2 66.2 %
1.0 pkg Trappist High Gravity (Wyeast Labs #3787 Yeast 12 -
3 lbs 5.3 oz Munich (10.2 SRM) Grain 3 16.7 %
2.4 oz Chocolate (Briess) (350.0 SRM) Grain 4 0.8 %
1.00 oz Saaz [3.75 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 5.7 IBUs
0.75 oz Hallertau [4.50 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 6 9.0 IBUs
4.0 oz Honey [Boil for20 min](1.0 SRM) Extract 7 1.3 %
1 lbs Fruit - Cherry Sweet (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 14 5.0 %
1 lbs Fruit - Cherry Regular (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 13 5.0 %
1 lbs Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 5 5.0 %
Mash Schedule: My Regular Mash
Total Grain Weight: 19 lbs 14.4 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 5.61 gal of water at 161.7 F 151.0 F 90 min
Sparge: Drain mash tun, Batch sparge with 1 steps (4.38gal) of 168.0 F water
Update from the brewery. I sent them an email trying to get a bit more information and all I can say is we were pretty far off. I asked for a bit more info on the honey and possible FG numbers. Here is what I got back.
And the Email we got earlier states 20% Munich for grist.
So this is the new recipe I came up with based on these numbers and I think it must be pretty damn close. The good news is they recipe just got a ton cheaper since we went from multiple pounds of honey to only .25 for a 5 gallon batch.
Recipe Link
I think we are getting really close now guysCode:BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com Recipe: Mad Elf Brewer: Sam Asst Brewer: Style: Belgian Dark Strong Ale TYPE: All Grain Taste: (30.0) https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/troegs-mad-elf-435795/ Recipe Specifications -------------------------- Boil Size: 7.79 gal Post Boil Volume: 5.46 gal Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Bottling Volume: 4.50 gal Estimated OG: 1.098 SG Estimated Color: 12.3 SRM Estimated IBU: 14.7 IBUs Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 % Est Mash Efficiency: 72.7 % Boil Time: 90 Minutes Ingredients: ------------ Amt Name Type # %/IBU 1.00 Items Campten (Mash 0.0 mins) Water Agent 1 - 1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 9 - 0.25 tsp Yeast Energizer (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 11 - 0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 15.0 mins) Other 10 - 13 lbs 3.2 oz Pilsner (2.3 SRM) Grain 2 66.2 % 1.0 pkg Trappist High Gravity (Wyeast Labs #3787 Yeast 12 - 3 lbs 5.3 oz Munich (10.2 SRM) Grain 3 16.7 % 2.4 oz Chocolate (Briess) (350.0 SRM) Grain 4 0.8 % 1.00 oz Saaz [3.75 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 5.7 IBUs 0.75 oz Hallertau [4.50 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 6 9.0 IBUs 4.0 oz Honey [Boil for20 min](1.0 SRM) Extract 7 1.3 % 1 lbs Fruit - Cherry Sweet (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 14 5.0 % 1 lbs Fruit - Cherry Regular (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 13 5.0 % 1 lbs Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 5 5.0 % Mash Schedule: My Regular Mash Total Grain Weight: 19 lbs 14.4 oz ---------------------------- Name Description Step Temperat Step Time Mash In Add 5.61 gal of water at 161.7 F 151.0 F 90 min Sparge: Drain mash tun, Batch sparge with 1 steps (4.38gal) of 168.0 F water
Now we just need to email and ask how much sugar per gallon and we got ourselves a spot on clone.
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