Men: Getting snipped. Yay or nay?

podz said:

Now that you've graduated from misspelling and failed conjugation of the most basic verb in any language, the verb 'to be', to an operational degree in gynecological surgery, you'd know that there are no less than 9 forms of tubal ligation. The most common form used nowadays, essure tubal ligation, doesn't even require local anesthesia and is, thus, a very minor and painless operation.

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One could make the argument that essure isn't tubal ligation but is a form of barrier contraception similar to copper coils and other IUDs. Essure works by secreting nickel to prevent contraception.

#splittinghairsforfunandprofit

Doed said:

I had mine done about 16 years ago. Pretty much the same as everyone else, done on Friday, frozen peas on your junk, sitting around all weekend, wearing a jock to support the boys. Mine did bruise and looked horrible for a while.

About a week after, I was lying in bed with my youngest daughter reading her a book and she turned over and accidentally kicked me in the jimmy's, I damn near threw up. It was the worst racking pain I had ever felt. Makes me sweat thinking about that.

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Another guy I know who got snipped decided to go ride bikes with his kids 2 days after getting it done. I'm still wondering what was going through his head...

Both of our two were c-section deliveries, had the doc take care of her while she was still open with the last one (obviously). We were 22/21 at the time, but she got pregnant whenever I looked at her. Kids are 12 and 13 now. My boys are still intact.

i know of a few women who cannot use some forms of contraception.so it's condom's if there partner want's to protect his family jewels

Gameface said:

The only thing a vasectomy removes from the equation is the semen. Semen makes up a very small, extremely small, portion of ejaculate. The semen is still produced, it just doesn't have a path to the urethra. It doesn't build up, it gets absorbed.

Hormonal birth control has tons of negative side effects, one of which is reduced libido. Tubal ligation is a much more complex and risky operation than a vasectomy.

I'm not trying to single you out, but any man that's too chicken **** to take responsibility for permanent birth control and instead place that burden on their partner are being stupid, selfish and weak.

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Hmmmm, I'm not sure that vilification of one's sex for a personal medical decision is defensible. I think Roe v Wade, some 40 years ago made it pretty clear that we get to choose for ourselves.

Firewalker11 said:

Hmmmm, I'm not sure that vilification of one's sex for a personal medical decision is defensible. I think Roe v Wade, some 40 years ago made it pretty clear that we get to choose for ourselves.

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His point is that relying on your wife to bear the burden of birth control, via chemical cocktails or high-risk surgeries, rather than undergoing a simple, low-risk outpatient procedure, is cowardly and selfish. You're correct that it's certainly their right to choose the cowardly and selfish option, but it's still cowardly and selfish.

In other news, I just got back from my appointment with my family doctor for the referral to the specialist. Step 1 is complete. Next, to book the consultation with the specialist.

Yes. Im also happily child free, and I did mine about a year ago. Even with some complications, I would do it again. Its one of the ultimate forms of security you can have as a person who doesnt want children or is done having children.

Im not a good judge of pain, one, Im a whimp, and two, I had some complications that added to the pain level. I survived though. The pain while healing wasnt very bad though. Unlike most people, I didnt bother with an ice pack or anything like that, just lots of rest and non-narcotic pain pills. I had mine done on Friday and was back at my office job on Monday. I even went out to the mall with my wife on Sunday.

So I'm really proud to not be chicken ****, selfish and weak. My ex talked me into getting snipped while she was planning our divorce. Whether or not it ended up being a bad thing, only God knows, but calling names for an extremely personal choice...

I had it done two years ago (I'm 37 now), we're also child-free and plan to stay that way. Hormonal birth control was a mess of side effects for my wife and not really a long term solution.

As far as the procedure/recovery.... I think everyone's experience varies greatly, largely I'd say on the skills of the doctor. I've had 2 other friends do it, one a horror story of the procedure being painful and the recovery somewhat slow. Another who failed to follow up with the tests and ended up with another kid (lesson: trust but verify) plus another go at the procedure.

Methods also vary, mine they snipped, cauterized and then put small clamps on both sides, doc explained as 5 barriers per side. Mine was super painless and a really easy recovery even with all that being done. I spent a weekend on peas and honestly was in so little pain I felt like I was milking it for pity and assistance. Was a nice lazy weekend.

Never had any issues with the recovery, no real swelling, was a big nothing of a procedure. Would do it again, no side effects at all (sex drive is the same, everything functions just as it did before).

I'd second the recommendations for a urologist over a GP. The failed friend went to a GP the first time.

Siberian said:

I'd second the recommendations for a urologist over a GP. The failed friend went to a GP the first time.

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Yeah, not sure what you'd go to a GP for this. The urologist that did mine said he blocked off two fridays every month, and did 7-8 each day.

broadbill said:

Yeah, not sure what you'd go to a GP for this. The urologist that did mine said he blocked off two fridays every month, and did 7-8 each day.

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So you two have something in common then.

I made a resolution about 45 years ago not to father children, based on the obvious fact that the world is overpopulated, and that virtually every major problem we face is directly related to overpopulation. Awareness of the rapidly escalating problems with their foundation in overpopulation seemed to be much higher then than now. Since that time population control has largely been a taboo subject. We are long past the point that zero population growth will be sufficient. The human population on earth will be reduced drastically at some point by a massive die off if we do not take measures to bring it down by controlling reproduction. The instinct / desire to reproduce is a powerful one, and seems to be difficult to rein in.
As has often been said, the wrong people are often the ones reproducing. People who are not fit to be parents. People who are not able to provide adequately for children, and people who are passing along undesirable genetic traits, are often the ones who produce the most children, and those children often grow up lacking the things a good family life, and intelligent, educated, dedicated, and supportive parents can provide to support their development into people who can contribute to society in multiple ways.
I do not advocate society dictating who can or cannot reproduce by any stretch of the imagination. Reproductive choices must be personal, so we hurtle toward the abyss with an every increasing population with the "quality" of that population in a decline as a result.

If this comes across as an elitist diatribe..... so be it. It is the way I honestly feel about the situation and I make no apology for it. One should never apologize for honesty.


H.W.

As mentioned, I got my referral from my family doc today. I contacted the urologist and they're currently booking appointments for March. Oh well, this is THE guy to go to in my city, he's done over 42,000 vasectomies (not a typo). He does the no-needle, no-scalpel kind, and I'm not even sure how that works, but I hear its virtually painless.

@HW - Good thing you signed your post or we'd have no clue who dun it.

Better be celibate until then.

iijakii said:

Better be celibate until then.

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My wife has an IUD and we use condoms. It's worked so far for 15 years, but even still, I appreciate the concern.

Owly055 said:

I do not advocate society dictating who can or cannot reproduce by any stretch of the imagination. Reproductive choices must be personal

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So, you're fine with Octomom (who actually has 13 kids) and the Duggars?

EDIT: Correction, she (Octomom) actually has 14 kids.

Came across the husband of my friend's daughter at the parts store last night. I asked how's things going. He says,

"She wants BABIES!"

And not in an excited I can't-wait-to-get-home-and-get-this-thing-started kind of way. More like the suddenly sex isn't nearly as awesome as it once was kind of way.

Now they are too young to consider this procedure, but I immediately thought of this thread when he said it. She's almost done with school and he's in job limbo trying to decide to try the military again. Sounds like a sucky situation if you ask me...

kombat said:

As mentioned, I got my referral from my family doc today. I contacted the urologist and they're currently booking appointments for March. Oh well, this is THE guy to go to in my city, he's done over 42,000 vasectomies (not a typo). He does the no-needle, no-scalpel kind, and I'm not even sure how that works, but I hear its virtually painless.

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From LINK: "Traditionally, vasectomies are performed using a needle to anesthetize and a scalpel cut through the skin. This is the reason most men shy away from this procedure, for fear of sharp objects and pain. However, with the “No-Needle, No-Scalpel vasectomy,” like the name suggests, there are no needles or scalpels used. Instead, a special device uses a high-pressure stream of anesthetic to penetrate through the skin, and an instrument called a “dissector” is used to spread open the skin. Then, the vas is severed using “thermo-cautery,” which is a device with a heated metallic tip, rather than a sharp scalpel. A small titanium clip is used to close the vas sheath around the lower end so that the ends are separated by a tissue layer and less likely to grow back together. So there’s no cutting and therefore, no stitches. The small opening is often closed by the following day."

Instead of a needle, they use a "spray injector"...instead of a scalpel they use a "dissector", basically sharp scissors. The mechanics of occluding the vas deferns sound the same (some Drs. tout the cut/clip/cauterize approach other remove a section, etc.). I'm not sure there is much difference.

Very Nay but then a few weeks later yay ...

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"I do not advocate society dictating who can or cannot reproduce by any stretch of the imagination. Reproductive choices must be personal"

So, you're fine with Octomom (who actually has 13 kids) and the Duggars?

EDIT: Correction, she (Octomom) actually has 14 kids.

Of course I'm not OK with it..... I consider it criminally irresponsible and contemptible.........Do you have a solution?? What kind of measures would you propose, and what kind of laws? Giving governments the right to dictate reproductive choices is a true pandora's box with all kinds of potential consequences and inevitable excesses.

Let us never forget the Lebensborn Children of the early 40's. Heinrich Himmler's dream of breeding a master race of humans. Is this what we want? Adolph Eichman set out to exterminate those people considered inferior, and Himmler set out to create a master race............ Once you open Pandora's Box where does it stop?

H.W.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1111170/Stolen-Nazis-The-tragic-tale-12-000-blue-eyed-blond-children-taken-SS-create-Aryan-super-race.html

Owly055 said:

Giving governments the right to dictate reproductive choices... ...where does it stop?

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Certainly not at modern-day China. And I don't believe anyone "gave" the Chinese government the right. They dictated their own right to do whatever they want to under threat of penalty.

GHBWNY said:

Certainly not at modern-day China. And I don't believe anyone "gave" the Chinese government the right. They dictated their own right to do whatever they want to under threat of penalty.

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And it was successful at constraining their population growth, as intended.

Of course, it also resulted in a multitude of unintended, undesired consequences (demographic problems of a population heavily weighted toward the elderly, family preference for sons over daughters, etc.), but the policy did in fact achieve the desired purpose.

kombat said:

And it was successful at constraining their population growth, as intended.

Of course, it also resulted in a multitude of unintended, undesired consequences (demographic problems of a population heavily weighted toward the elderly, family preference for sons over daughters, etc.), but the policy did in fact achieve the desired purpose.

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Yeah.

Owly055 said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Owly055 View Post
"I do not advocate society dictating who can or cannot reproduce by any stretch of the imagination. Reproductive choices must be personal"

So, you're fine with Octomom (who actually has 13 kids) and the Duggars?

EDIT: Correction, she (Octomom) actually has 14 kids.

Of course I'm not OK with it..... I consider it criminally irresponsible and contemptible.........Do you have a solution?? What kind of measures would you propose, and what kind of laws? Giving governments the right to dictate reproductive choices is a true pandora's box with all kinds of potential consequences and inevitable excesses.

Let us never forget the Lebensborn Children of the early 40's. Heinrich Himmler's dream of breeding a master race of humans. Is this what we want? Adolph Eichman set out to exterminate those people considered inferior, and Himmler set out to create a master race............ Once you open Pandora's Box where does it stop?

H.W.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hildren-taken-SS-create-Aryan-super-race.html

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Thank god you signed that love letter. Very responsible.

So I've made my appointment. March 18, 2016. I went to the doctor's office earlier this week to pick up my prescriptions and the "kit" (consisting of a jock and some other miscellaneous things). The prescription was for 1 Valium, and 10 or so painkillers. It was kind of weird filling a prescription and getting a whole entire pill container containing exactly 1 pill. I'm supposed to take the Valium an hour before my procedure. It's supposed to "relax" the boys and make it easier for the doctor to find what he's looking for. I'm just hoping it erases the anxiety I know I'm going to be feeling. I've never taken Valium before. I was secretly hoping the prescription would give me at least 3-4 pills, so I could take a couple "practice" ones ahead of time to get a feel for how it will affect me, but no dice. I've got a pill bottle with one, single Valium pill in it. I guess I'm going to have to wing it. I hope it's all worth it. I'll keep you posted.

kombat said:

So I've made my appointment. March 18, 2016. I went to the doctor's office earlier this week to pick up my prescriptions and the "kit" (consisting of a jock and some other miscellaneous things). The prescription was for 1 Valium, and 10 or so painkillers. It was kind of weird filling a prescription and getting a whole entire pill container containing exactly 1 pill. I'm supposed to take the Valium an hour before my procedure. It's supposed to "relax" the boys and make it easier for the doctor to find what he's looking for. I'm just hoping it erases the anxiety I know I'm going to be feeling. I've never taken Valium before. I was secretly hoping the prescription would give me at least 3-4 pills, so I could take a couple "practice" ones ahead of time to get a feel for how it will affect me, but no dice. I've got a pill bottle with one, single Valium pill in it. I guess I'm going to have to wing it. I hope it's all worth it. I'll keep you posted.

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Your appointment is ~3 months away and they already gave you valium?

The valium didn't seem to do much to me, but maybe that's the point.

My advice is to take it easy, even when things go well. My procedure was harmless, and by day 2 I thought I was ready for heavy lifting and such. Yikes. Wasn't quite ready yet... didn't have much pain but the swelling was worse because I didn't rest long enough.

I have a male dog who is really a badass, and he has no tail or balls. He behaves like a little girl when he wants attention, but let another dog try to mount him and he's got murder on his mind.

Just for fun, when he pisses me off, I tell him that I am going to jerk a knot in his tail and kick him in the balls. He still loves me.

The valium will mellow you out a bit - depending on the dosage it's likely not going to make you high at all.

It will be fine. Keep a few bags of frozen peas in the freezer and remember NOT to go running around just because you feel good right after. trust me you will pay for that if you do.

I thank my 'lucky scars' every time I see someone's kid having a brat attack......the only problem with the proceedure was the Doctor having his young female nurse come in to clean me up after........covered in iodine, draped with a cloth with my junk hanging out of it and looking like a frightened turtle....yea, THATS how I want some young blonde to see me!!!!! Lol

LBussy said:

The valium will mellow you out a bit - depending on the dosage it's likely not going to make you high at all.

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I checked - it's a 10mg dose.

I think this is the part I'm still the most uncertain about. I've read countless accounts of other people going through the procedure, and no one seems to mention the pre-op Valium (granted it doesn't seem to be that commonly prescribed either, but still). Will 10mg of Valium (Diazepam) mellow me out perceptibly, or will I even notice? I'm about 175 lbs.

That, and I've heard that first "test drive" after the procedure can be excruciatingly painful if you try it too soon post-op. So bad that some guys say they were "gun shy" for several rounds afterwards, to the degree where the anticipation of the excruciating pain prevented them from enjoying themselves, although it did eventually go away. Any credence to that?

kombat said:

I checked - it's a 10mg dose.

I think this is the part I'm still the most uncertain about. I've read countless accounts of other people going through the procedure, and no one seems to mention the pre-op Valium (granted it doesn't seem to be that commonly prescribed either, but still). Will 10mg of Valium (Diazepam) mellow me out perceptibly, or will I even notice? I'm about 175 lbs.

That, and I've heard that first "test drive" after the procedure can be excruciatingly painful if you try it too soon post-op. So bad that some guys say they were "gun shy" for several rounds afterwards, to the degree where the anticipation of the excruciating pain prevented them from enjoying themselves, although it did eventually go away. Any credence to that?

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10mg is on the higher side:

http://www.drugs.com/dosage/valium.html

As far as the test drive, I was lucky enough to have my wife administer that first test orally. I still waited three days. There was some tenderness but it all worked right and really, that makes everything better.

I didnt do the valium. Was a bit nervous. Might reconsider if I were to do it again.

kombat said:

I checked - it's a 10mg dose.

I think this is the part I'm still the most uncertain about. I've read countless accounts of other people going through the procedure, and no one seems to mention the pre-op Valium (granted it doesn't seem to be that commonly prescribed either, but still). Will 10mg of Valium (Diazepam) mellow me out perceptibly, or will I even notice? I'm about 175 lbs.

That, and I've heard that first "test drive" after the procedure can be excruciatingly painful if you try it too soon post-op. So bad that some guys say they were "gun shy" for several rounds afterwards, to the degree where the anticipation of the excruciating pain prevented them from enjoying themselves, although it did eventually go away. Any credence to that?

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Valium: I didn't noticed I was mellowed, but looking back I definitely was. Instead of focusing on/worrying about the procedure I was more interested in the ceiling and shooting the breeze with the Dr.

I never heard of the first ejaculation being painful. Nothing is really disturbed by the procedures except for a tiny tube that provides a tiny component of the ejaculate. Pretty much all normal for my first post-op go around although I gave it a solid week before going about it. I'd probably go it alone vs. with someone else, lest that person accidentally bang into something that was still sore.

This thread always pops up at the perfect time... just went in for our 20 wk ultrasound and baby is healthy, looking into scheduling my appointment.

Which means I'm going to stall like crazy until I can work up the courage to call and make the appointment.

Don't do it.

normonster said:

Don't do it.

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If there is a part of you that is unsure.......then don't do it. If you look at your family and are content........then by all means get it done.

Every time I look at my boys I breath a sigh of relief that I will not (with 97-99% confidence) be adding any more craziness to our household, and I will never have to change another diaper until I am in them myself.

Do you research on the technique used. My doctor spent an hour and a half doing my procedure. He made sure to separate the blood vessels and did not use stitches on the outside to avoid discomfort. To seal the very small opening, all he did was put a cold washcloth down there which contracted the skin and closed the wound. Pretty neat! He also gave me a numbing cream to apply 45 min. before the appointment to numb the area. Overall a very positive, pain free procedure. The healing process was fast and relativity pain free too.

He was talking about other doctor's ways of doing the procedure and one of them actually cut a hold big enough on each side to remove the testicles during the procedure and put them back afterwards. They also didn't separate the blood vessels which left a lot of bruising and bleeding.

So just do your research and have your doctor explain the process that they use! The less invasive procedure that they use the less pain and faster healing you will have.

iijakii said:

or a quick hand party can't solve.

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Ok, that was funny.^^

I haven't had it done nor am I thinking about it but I believe it is better than the woman having a major surgery, so if I had to choose it would be me.

Twins_Dad said:

Every time I look at my boys I breath a sigh of relief that I will not (with 97-99% confidence) be adding any more craziness to our household, and I will never have to change another diaper until I am in them myself.

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not planning on grandkids? or just not changing theirs?