Yep, I actually want to make this...

I like the Yuengling Black and Tan in a bottle . I know, I know.

Anyway - I am thinking for my next brew adventure it would be cool to brew two batches, and blend them, kinda in the same spirit, and bottle.

1) Has anyone done this? ( I know someone has got to have, but you know what they say about never asking a question, nd you never know the answer..)

2) Suggestions for brews? I am still an extract brewing with steeping grains level kind of guy - this will be an adventure as I said.

3) What would the ratios be?


Thanks guys!

don't have an answer for ya but I've been wondering the same thing. surely someone here knows..

superjunior said:

don't have an answer for ya but I've been wondering the same thing. surely someone here knows..

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Whew! Glad to know I am not alone

Just brew a porter and a cream ale (or lager if you can). Then mix them individually each time you want one. That is historically what a "real" black and tan is.

This is much easier from a keg than if you bottle, but if you don't want to end up with 24 oz servings you could buy 8 oz. cokes from the grocery store to give you 16 oz servings...but that is a lot of coke to drink!

PS. I love Yuengling's black an tan too if I am in the mood for something dark and all I have is imperial stouts or no stouts. Plus it is under $1/bottle for 6 packs!

Germelli1 said:

Just brew a porter and a cream ale (or lager if you can). Then mix them individually each time you want one. That is historically what a "real" black and tan is.

This is much easier from a keg than if you bottle, but if you don't want to end up with 24 oz servings you could buy 8 oz. cokes from the grocery store to give you 16 oz servings...but that is a lot of coke to drink!

PS. I love Yuengling's black an tan too if I am in the mood for something dark and all I have is imperial stouts or no stouts. Plus it is under $1/bottle for 6 packs!

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See, I make them now ( I love a Bass Ale under a Duck Rabbit Porter - YUM YUM! ), and have a ball, but I am actually looking for the novelty / kitsch of doing them in the same " blended in bottle" style.

Hannable1975 said:

See, I make them now ( I love a Bass Ale under a Duck Rabbit Porter - YUM YUM! ), and have a ball, but I am actually looking for the novelty / kitsch of doing them in the same " blended in bottle" style.

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Sounds like a fun experiment. There are a few issues you might look out for. Try finding a cream ale/lager/something light recipe and a porter recipe that use the same yeast. If you have ever read my posts you would know I am going to reccomend pacman, but US-05 or nottingham would both work great.

I have no idea what happens when you mix yeast (I'm talking about at bottling time), but I like to keep things as simple as possible.

Otherwise, try it, rack half of each (If 1:1 is the correct ratio for a black and tan) into two buckets, prime and bottle that ***** up!

Do you think Youngling actually brews two batches and then mixes them in a bottle? I have no idea, of course, but would find that surprising. Rather, I think I would figure out what the final product is I'm looking for (post-mixing) and come up with the recipe and process to get there.

Its been a while since I've had a black and tan, but mixing one for yourself and then taking tasting notes would be one place to start.

Pappers said:

Do you think Youngling actually brews two batches and then mixes them in a bottle? I have no idea, of course, but would find that surprising. Rather, I think I would figure out what the final product is I'm looking for (post-mixing) and come up with the recipe and process to get there.

Its been a while since I've had a black and tan, but mixing one for yourself and then taking tasting notes would be one place to start.

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They claim ( and I actually have a little respect for Yuengling, I believe them ) that it is a blend of their Porter ( which i like ) and 'Premium Beer" - I do not know if that is the Lager, Lord Chesterfield of what not.

When I was on the brewery tour in Pottsville the guide said that they blend their porter and their premium beer in a 3:2 porter to premium ratio. According to him they also use the same yeast for all of their beers. Also there is a pretty close recipe for their porter in the Clonebrews book.

Weav65 said:

When I was on the brewery tour in Pottsville the guide said that they blend their porter and their premium beer in a 3:2 porter to premium ratio. According to him they also use the same yeast for all of their beers. Also there is a pretty close recipe for their porter in the Clonebrews book.

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Thanks for the ratio!

And so far as brews , I just got way from Midwest's site - and they have a cream ale with Safale 05, and a Porter with Safale 04.

Ran a thread search, and think I will just get another packet of the Safale 05 ( according the the thread, less flavor affectation ) and use it in the Porter.

That does it- gonna place an order as soon as I post this!

SO, at a 3:2, I should get around 48 bottles of "black and tan, then have leftovers of 30 bottles of cream ale, and 18 or so of porter.

Sounds like a pretty fun adventure in my near future!

Yuengling uses a lager yeast in all their beers.

Weav65 said:

Yuengling uses a lager yeast in all their beers.

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Hmmm. you just did beat the clock ( my blackberry beeped as I was reviewing my order screen. )

Suggestions for a lager yeast for this beast folks, or run with the Safale US 05 ?

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They claim ( and I actually have a little respect for Yuengling, I believe them ) that it is a blend of their Porter ( which i like ) and 'Premium Beer" - I do not know if that is the Lager, Lord Chesterfield of what not.

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I'm pretty sure 'Premium' is an ale.

Hannable1975 said:

They claim ( and I actually have a little respect for Yuengling, I believe them ) that it is a blend of their Porter ( which i like ) and 'Premium Beer" - I do not know if that is the Lager, Lord Chesterfield of what not.

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Their premium is neither their "Yuengling Lager" or LC ale. People in Pottsville tend to like the "premium" while everyone else likes the "lager."