We're probably in for a long debate based on this one still hanging around
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatWhyFlat.htm
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatWhyFlat.htm
mr x said:The human race has developed a lot of real bad habits, and if they aren't undone real soon, the consequences are going to be terminal for many species. Beyond those already destroyed.
"According to the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, there are currently 539 plant and animal species at risk in Canada."
"Another 13 species are already extinct."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinct_animals_of_the_United_States
That's scary.
Not all of them. The ones dying off now are a direct result of human influence. Whatever Sheryl Crow does doesn't change that.Ryanh1801 said:Dude animals died off way before Humans had anything to do with it
I think that's the point -- mass extinctions have happened in the past (dinosaurs being the most well known). But never in the history of our planet has one species been known to cause the demise of so many others. It is kinda scarey.Ryanh1801 said:Dude animals died off way before Humans had anything to do with it, its part of life. Survival of the fittest.
mr x said:The human race has developed a lot of real bad habits, and if they aren't undone real soon, the consequences are going to be terminal for many species. Beyond those already destroyed.
"According to the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, there are currently 539 plant and animal species at risk in Canada."
"Another 13 species are already extinct."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinct_animals_of_the_United_States
That's scary.
If you follow the trail in this case you'll find it's not BS.EdWort said:I would not necessary put any faith into whatever is posted at Wikipedia. There is a lot of BS there.
On the other hand, species die out all the time and we discover new ones all the time too. It's the cycle of life.
EdWort said:I would not necessary put any faith into whatever is posted at Wikipedia. There is a lot of BS there.
On the other hand, species die out all the time and we discover new ones all the time too. It's the cycle of life.
D.C. resident John Lockwood was conducting research at the Library of Congress and came across an intriguing Page 2 headline in the Nov. 2, 1922 edition of The Washington Post: "Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt."
The 1922 article, obtained by Inside the Beltway, goes on to mention "great masses of ice have now been replaced by moraines of earth and stones," and "at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared."
"This was one of several such articles I have found at the Library of Congress for the 1920s and 1930s," says Mr. Lockwood. "I had read of the just-released NASA estimates, that four of the 10 hottest years in the U.S. were actually in the 1930s, with 1934 the hottest of all."
In the United States, the calendar year 1998 ranked as the hottest of them all until someone checked the math.
After a Toronto skeptic tipped NASA this month to one flaw in its climate calculations, the U.S. agency ordered a full data review.
Days later, it put out a revised list of all-time hottest years. The Dust Bowl year of 1934 now ranks as hottest ever in the U.S. not 1998.
Donasay said:How much do you think major breweries contribute to global warming? I know regulation of CO2 is coming in the future, and that brewing produces a lot of it. Does anyone have any exact numbers about the extent of CO2 produced by major breweries? I mean they have to be pumping out more than most factories right?
EdWort said:John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel on Global Warming.
It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the research to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild scientific scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you believe in. It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of lifelong expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a nonevent, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably wont believe me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped.
The sky is not falling. All natural cycles, drifts in climate are as much, if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next 20 years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend."
Vermicous said:You are right Mr. Weatherman, I don't believe you. Not just because when I hear the word liberal, I tend to tune out whatever is being said. But because numerous points are factually incorrect. Unless this was stated in the 1950's, I don't see how anyone with any sort of scientific background can believe these statements.
Vermicous said:Unless this was stated in the 1950's, I don't see how anyone with any sort of scientific background can believe these statements.
Donasay said:How much do you think major breweries contribute to global warming? I know regulation of CO2 is coming in the future, and that brewing produces a lot of it. Does anyone have any exact numbers about the extent of CO2 produced by major breweries? I mean they have to be pumping out more than most factories right?
srm775 said:No, because humans don't create CO2, we just filter it out and don't utilize it.
Virtuous said:This new research is kind of bunk. Once upon a time it was recorded that the medieval period had a significant warming period. The latest research ommits this warmer than usual period. Also wasnt it in the 30 and 40s they thought we were going to be starting a new ice age?
jacobyhale said:I don't think there is any real debate on the fact that we are making global warming worse. There is definitely debate on whether it is natural caused or what.....but why not help? What is helping lower the factors that pollute and disrupt the natural balance of the earth going to hurt? We can take steps to curb this without crippling our economy.
jacobyhale said:I don't think there is any real debate on the fact that we are making global warming worse. There is definitely debate on whether it is natural caused or what.....but why not help? What is helping lower the factors that pollute and disrupt the natural balance of the earth going to hurt? We can take steps to curb this without crippling our economy.
EdWort said:John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel on Global Warming.
It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the research to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild scientific scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you believe in. It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of lifelong expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a nonevent, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably wont believe me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped.
The sky is not falling. All natural cycles, drifts in climate are as much, if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next 20 years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend."
cubbies said:The Earth is warmer than it has been in most of recorded history right now. However there is very little proof that CO2 is to blame. There is a multitude of other factors. However, these other factors don't get as much grant money, so CO2 is the bad guy of the time. Global Warming is definitely as much political as it is scientific. If not more so. And that is unfortunate. If these types of things were kept out of the governments hands, there may be some actual unbiased work being done.
The fact of the matter is though that the Earth is warmer, there is very little to dispute that. Using less energy is likely one small way of combating that. Most people in the United States can find a way to cut energy costs.
Substitute "didn't" for "can't" and I'll agree with that sentence. Of course they could have, they chose not to. It's the sort of foul-up that happens when you appoint an old buddy to lead an emergency response agency as political payback.abracadabra said:They can't even deliver disaster relief to huricane victims in a timely manner....
Cheese, haven't you missed the sarcasm smiley?Cheesefood said:Wow. Weathermen are never wrong. This changes my thougts on everything.
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