Well I checked my 2 batches today when I woke up. The batch with the champange yeast is starting to ferment. I can see little bubbles moving around the carboy to the top but there is nothing in the bubbler. The other batch has wyeast 3086 and there is no acitvity at all (also its very dark). I have the orange carboy top on both but I do not have the handles. The other half is not too keen on having 10 gallons of what she calls DOOM JUICE fermenting in the kitchen, but I just told her that its Ed Worts fault. She looked at me like what the hell are you talking about. Well I will keep everyone posted on how things go. By the way the temp in the kitchen is around 70's.