RetroHopper
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IPA is by definition PALE. Shouldn't we come up with a better name? Any ideas?
Cascadian Dark Ale?
India Black Ale
Yup. IBA. Easy Peasy.
The GABF/Brewers Association seems to agree, and have formally designated the style as IBA.
GuldTuborg said:Have they? Good to know. It makes the most sense.
I can understand, to a point, why "Black IPA" was used as they style was experimented with, as it's supposed to be like an IPA in most every was, except in color and a slight amount of roast character, as it communicates an idea well enough. But at some point, I think we have to agree that a name that's oxymoronic by its very nature is moronic to continue using (OK, that's harsh, but I was too tempted by the fun constuction of that quip). Besides, there's a close enough relation between "IPA" and "IBA," in the names themselves, that it communicates the nature of the style well enough, especially now that it's more established.
Except that there is nothing Indian about this style. American Dark Ale makes more sense.
Neither is there anything Indian about IPAs, but at least it's understood as a style.
Sure there is...they derive their name from the fact that it was a style of beer exported to the English colonies in India. If these beers had not been so popular there, they never would have been named IPA - they would have stayed pale ales or maybe Burton ales.
English IPA's yes. American IPA's no! Yet we still call them both IPA'sSure there is...
Why would you except and American interpretations of an IPA that has nothing to do with India, but turn down the idea of an India Black Ale?
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The India reference has more to do with alcohol and hop content, not color or maltyness.
How about "American Ale in the style of an English IPA but darker and maybe just a little roasty with less yeast character" ?
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I think there's a new category for american black ale. As opposed to cascadian dark ale. Huge difference.
What is the difference?
The Cascadian dark ale has some roast, while the American black ale is an ipa that's black, no roast.
They're the same thing with a different name. Both have some roast character."The Cascadian dark ale has some roast, while the American black ale is an ipa that's black, no roast."
Thanks, but I am confused - isn't roasting the only way to turn malt black?
American-Style Black Ale
American-style black ales are very dark to black. The
perception of caramel malt and dark roasted malt flavor and
aroma is at a medium level. High astringency and high degree of
burnt roast malt character should be absent. Hop bitterness is
perceived to be medium-high to high. Hop flavor and aroma is
medium-high. Fruity, floral and herbal character from hops of all
origins may contribute character. American-style black ale has
medium body.
● Original Gravity (ºPlato) 1.056-1.075 (14-18.2 ºPlato)
● Apparent Extract/Final Gravity (ºPlato) 1.012-1.018 (3-4.5º Plato)
● Alcohol by Weight (Volume) 5-6% (6 -7.5%)
● Bitterness (IBU) 50-70
● Color SRM (EBC) 35+ (70+ EBC)
Thanks, but I am confused - isn't roasting the only way to turn malt black?
hirambiram said:Sublimely self righteous is my favorite of this style. Cascadian Black ale, Black IPA, IBA? Who cares? It tates too good to be concerned about the semantics of the style name.
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