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  1. kladue

    Moving to automating my brew day

    When looking at RTD's and thermocouples, inexpensive temperature transmitters can be obtained for under $10 a sensor. They will convert sensor signal to 4-20ma (1-5V across 250 ohm resistor) or 0-10vdc when powered by 24 vdc. If you take time to find the units with range and zero adjustments...
  2. kladue

    Proportional and 3-way valves

    For homebrew systems the Chinese SS ball valves with 12v actuators for on/off, Belimo's for floating and proportional control work. Solenoid valves are only appropriate for clean water, LP gas, Nat. Gas, O2 ( if cleaned for O2 service), not wort applications. Now if you talk industrial...
  3. kladue

    Proportional and 3-way valves

    I have used Belimo SS ball valves with proportional actuators (1 - 10) volt signal, 24 vdc supply. These are used as control valves in HVAC applications and are usually found for reasonable prices on Ebay. The valves have a removable disc for flow limiting, which when removed will give a 3/8"...
  4. kladue

    self stirring MashTun

    Interesting concept but not practical for brewing as sparging is needed to remove the extract from the grains. A simple spin cycle will give a higher gravity extract, but efficiency will be poor as a significant amount will remain behind. This is essentially the no sparge brewing method with a...
  5. kladue

    The Hop Rod Garage - PLC (Wago) based herms build

    FWIW: Here are the lines of C# code I use for the level correction in the MashTun in the automated system. Reset factor calc: double mtIn = DataObject.mashTemp; double mTReset = 1000 / (1000.1325 * (1 - (mtIn + 288.9414) / (508929.2 * (mtIn + 68.12963)) *...
  6. kladue

    The Hop Rod Garage - PLC (Wago) based herms build

    Are you monitoring temperature and calculating the density to correct pressure transmitter reading. An additional tweak is to estimate SG and apply that correction factor for level calculation also.
  7. kladue

    PLC/SCADA Controlled Brewing System

    New off the shelf 1/2" SS ball valve $28.95, 24V proportional actuator $108.95. They are available from auction sites for considerably less than retail if you know what to look for, and have the time.
  8. kladue

    PLC/SCADA Controlled Brewing System

    The Belimo proportional control (2-10V) ball valves work well if you have the analog output capabilities.
  9. kladue

    Fully Automated System

    Not sure what to to call this setup, automated somewhat, fully automated not a chance. If a system can take grain and elevate it to the mill, grind and dough in, step mash, boil and chill wort, and oxygenate wort as fermenter is filled, then it can be considered nearly fully automated. Here...
  10. kladue

    calandria

    Steam surrounds pipes in calandria shell, wort flows up the inside of the pipes as it heats and boils.
  11. kladue

    Where to start with a PLC controlled brewery?

    I built a system around the Opto 22 generation 1 hardware, modular design with plug in modules. The generation 1 hardware was cheap and modules easy to acquire from Ebay at the time of construction, 2008. Upside was the availability of input modules to handle 4-20MA, 0-5V, PT100 and...
  12. kladue

    Where to start with a PLC controlled brewery?

    Not bad with software so far, do you measure liquid level in various kettles, or just manually control valves with a visual measurement. The fun part with the software is making all the process variables accessible during run time for calibration. It took me about 2,000 hours of programming...
  13. kladue

    Where to start with a PLC controlled brewery?

    Nice looking panel build, looks like strictly on/off operation though. The challenge for PLC builds comes when you go to analog process control. I went quite a bit farther with software to implement a system that handled the brewing process from recipe to process control, you could pour grain...
  14. kladue

    Automated volume sensing idea/help

    The digital pressure sensor was the right idea, just the wrong product, look at the LM series analog sensors with ss diaphragm and pvc body http://www.meas-spec.com/downloads/LM.pdf. When mounted away from the hot process they work well as the static fluid in the tubing cools to ambient and...
  15. kladue

    Truly Automated Brewing System

    The automated unit was built with Opto 22 hardware and Ebay sourced valves and sensors. The expected price for the control hardware would be in the $2,000 - $3,000 range with rebuilt mass flow controllers. The flash boiler would be about $300 to fabricate, the counter flow chiller would be...
  16. kladue

    Truly Automated Brewing System

    Been there and done that with the phase 2 brewery, place grain bill in hopper, hang auto drop hop bags, connect fermenter, touch auto run icon and walk away. The control system has 16 analog I/O points, 4 RTD sensors, 4 J thermocouples, and 16 digital points. Software handles all process...
  17. kladue

    Controlling proportional valve with potentiometer

    I use the Belimo valves with a 24VDC supply and they work as well as when fed with 24VAC. The diagram in #16 is almost right, loose the 555 ohm resistor and you should be there. Be prepared for the 90 second open - close time, not a bad thing with automation, but you will have to be patient...
  18. kladue

    need help with a wiring diagram....please!

    Go with another VR8200, LP conversion valves for Banjo burners from Brewers hardware, a Bernzomatic 200K LP 2 stage regulator from Lowes, Q314 & Q345 pilots and transformer from PEX Supply. By firing the BK while filling the total BTU output is not an issue when boiling, BK should just start to...
  19. kladue

    need help with a wiring diagram....please!

    Here is a link to a diagram https://picasaweb.google.com/110297595278760536729/PanelWiringDiagram?noredirect=1#5507979690350514498, as to the transformer, if mounted inside a control panel I would suggest a 100Va transformer. For the manual light burner you can use the ASCO valve and a...
  20. kladue

    Intermittent pilot system help please

    You will need a bigger enclosure to provide room for switches and transformer, something more like 10X12X6 would be appropriate, don't start too small and lament the fact that there is not enough room. A cardboard box is a good way to prototype, when everything fits and looks okay, it is the...
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