I have 4 Brewers Best extract kits under my belt(or over it, that seems where it is landing). All my beers were turning out darker than they should. I think that is due to the partial boils that the kits says to do. My last kit I ordered from Austin Homebrew Supply is a Mini-mash Fat tire clone. Just bottled it yesterday and had a partial bottle. Just pointing out that this mini-mash beer was the right color. Taste isn't quite right, but I just bottled it, so I think that will get better as it ages.