A few ?'s on priming and secondary

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Fairly new to all grain. First question is: Do recipes usually state the amount of priming sugar to use? I've seen conflicting amount additions for beer "styles". Is there a website thats reliable to use for that calculation? Also, from what I can gather the time to add the cooled priming sugar is in the bottling bucket/stir/bottle/cap...correct?

Second question is: When doing these higher gravity brews, I plan on running into the situation of utilizing a secondary fermenter. At this point does the initial yeast pitch keep on fermenting? Or will there be cases where I would need to add another pitch for the duration of the secondary to increase the ABV? To be specific, my goals are a few 10-12%+ Imperial stouts, Barleywines, strong (D)IPAs.
 
I don't think recipes usually specify the amount of priming sugar. Maybe some do. But really, that is up to the brewer. Anymore, i just use 1/4 cup for not-quite-flat, 1/2 cup for normal, and 3/4 for extra fizzy. I may add or subtract a tablespoon if I have something specific in mind. This is sucrose, table sugar. I add it to a cup or two of water, boil it for a couple minutes, and add it hot at the bottom of the bottling bucket as I start my siphon.

Figuring out priming sugar to the ounce using the calculators was something I did for forty plus batches, but I decided it was not a worthwhile investment of time.

Even for big beers, a properly managed fermentation shouldn't require a second pitch of yeast in most circumstances.
 
The priming sugar solution goes in the bottle bucket. Rack on top of that to combine and bottle. It doesn't need to be cooled. The beer will cool it down. The amount of yeast the hot solution will kill has no effect on carbing.

I just typed in priming sugar per style and this came up from NB http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator/ Never used it but seems ok.

Secondary is a thing of the past. Most people don't use it at all. Some use it when adding fruit or other additions. Some don't even do that. Beer can stay in primary for months. Some have left it for over 6 months.
 
Priming sugar calculator according to style or your preference.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator/

Secondary fermentor is a misnomer. No fermentation should be occurring in the secondary vessel. A secondary vessel is for clearing a beer, which can be done just as well in the primary, or the secondary vessel is for additions such as fruit or wood chips.

The beer should be left in the primary until final gravity is reached.
 
Priming sugar calculator according to style or your preference.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator/

Secondary fermentor is a misnomer. No fermentation should be occurring in the secondary vessel. A secondary vessel is for clearing a beer, which can be done just as well in the primary, or the secondary vessel is for additions such as fruit or wood chips.

The beer should be left in the primary until final gravity is reached.

OK. Yea I planned on doing a bourbon aged stout eventually. So I would use a secondary for the addition of the chips and bourbon? I suppose duration would depend on the taste and amount of bourbon/chips used.
 
USE A PRIMING CALCULATOR. I cannot stress this enough, once you have the exact volume of beer out of your primary less the trub, I just use the marking on my bottling bucket. Use that and the temperature of the beer and it tells you exactly how much to use.

Every recipe I have seen with priming sugar is ALWAYS over-primed by quite a lot. Bottle bombs suck, and so do volcano beers. So don't rush the primary fermentation check your gravity frequently and use a calculator to prime


Fairly new to all grain. First question is: Do recipes usually state the amount of priming sugar to use? I've seen conflicting amount additions for beer "styles". Is there a website thats reliable to use for that calculation? Also, from what I can gather the time to add the cooled priming sugar is in the bottling bucket/stir/bottle/cap...correct?

Second question is: When doing these higher gravity brews, I plan on running into the situation of utilizing a secondary fermenter. At this point does the initial yeast pitch keep on fermenting? Or will there be cases where I would need to add another pitch for the duration of the secondary to increase the ABV? To be specific, my goals are a few 10-12%+ Imperial stouts, Barleywines, strong (D)IPAs.
 
Priming sugar calculator according to style or your preference.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator/

Secondary fermentor is a misnomer. No fermentation should be occurring in the secondary vessel. A secondary vessel is for clearing a beer, which can be done just as well in the primary, or the secondary vessel is for additions such as fruit or wood chips.

The beer should be left in the primary until final gravity is reached.

If no fermentation is occurring, then do I need an airlock on the secondary? I've seen photos/videos of people using a secondary and they've still got a bubble or two flickering out of an airlock every min. Just trying to understand the process if I ever do decide to do that oak soaked stout, or fruit addition.
 
If no fermentation is occurring, then do I need an airlock on the secondary? I've seen photos/videos of people using a secondary and they've still got a bubble or two flickering out of an airlock every min. Just trying to understand the process if I ever do decide to do that oak soaked stout, or fruit addition.

CO2 can still be coming out of solution if the primary time was short. Without the airlock a solid bung would be blown out. Changes in barometric pressure can also pop a solid bung, or if is loose fitting , suck it into the secondary.
 
I HATE priming calculators, and will not use one. Here's why- they have you prime 'to style'. That sounds like a good idea- but most people who buy bottled commercial beer don't drink it carbed to style- they drink it at about 2.4-2.5 volumes of c02, regardless of style. While a great cask ale is very low carbed, that's out of a cask and not a bottle and if you prime "to style" with a priming calculator, an English bitter will be totally flat. Most people don't like to drink flat beer. Conversely, some beer styles, like weizens, will be bottle bombs if you prime to style with a calculator.

I use .75 oz of priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for lower carbed beers (but still carbed) and 1 oz priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for styles like light lagers and pale ales. That's it. Easy as can be, and never a flat beer or a bottle bomb in 300ish batches of beer.
 
I like the Tastybrew calculator, it provides recommendations based on the style, but in the end, you can set your level of carbonation (measured in volumes of CO2) however you like.

The calculator factors in volume, fermentation temperature, and type of priming sugar used.
 
I HATE priming calculators, and will not use one. Here's why- they have you prime 'to style'. That sounds like a good idea- but most people who buy bottled commercial beer don't drink it carbed to style- they drink it at about 2.4-2.5 volumes of c02, regardless of style. While a great cask ale is very low carbed, that's out of a cask and not a bottle and if you prime "to style" with a priming calculator, an English bitter will be totally flat. Most people don't like to drink flat beer. Conversely, some beer styles, like weizens, will be bottle bombs if you prime to style with a calculator.

I use .75 oz of priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for lower carbed beers (but still carbed) and 1 oz priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for styles like light lagers and pale ales. That's it. Easy as can be, and never a flat beer or a bottle bomb in 300ish batches of beer.

Sounds like a good approach to me! I appreciate all the responses.
 
I HATE priming calculators, and will not use one. Here's why- they have you prime 'to style'. That sounds like a good idea- but most people who buy bottled commercial beer don't drink it carbed to style- they drink it at about 2.4-2.5 volumes of c02, regardless of style. While a great cask ale is very low carbed, that's out of a cask and not a bottle and if you prime "to style" with a priming calculator, an English bitter will be totally flat. Most people don't like to drink flat beer. Conversely, some beer styles, like weizens, will be bottle bombs if you prime to style with a calculator.

I use .75 oz of priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for lower carbed beers (but still carbed) and 1 oz priming sugar per finished gallon of beer for styles like light lagers and pale ales. That's it. Easy as can be, and never a flat beer or a bottle bomb in 300ish batches of beer.

You are priming to style. Your style. I think new brewers should be exposed to the options and make their choice. Sometimes choices need to be made with experience.
 
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