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**daugenet** · 11-11-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedOctober

When I looked into the foodsaver option, I read similar stories. That's why I went in a different direction.

I still believe the a aspirator is the way to go, you can find them new for a little more than a foodsaver, you can rack, bottle and degas with it and it will last forever.

I can't see the foodsaver as a viable long term solution.

Agreed. For 125 you can have this baby delivered to your house!

http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Medical-Heavy-Suction-Machine/dp/B001ADA5HY/ref=sr_1_19?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1321039195&sr=1-19

I was pleasantly surprised with how quiet it was. Not too different from the food saver.

BryanThompson · 11-13-2011, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DoctorCAD

Nope, don't do that.

Why not? I've heard that degassing while the must is still fermenting is a good idea. Why is it not ok to do with a foodsaver?

GMA · 11-13-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanThompson

Why not? I've heard that degassing while the must is still fermenting is a good idea. Why is it not ok to do with a foodsaver?

Degassing during fermentation is meant to restore O2 to the yeast. The foodsaver is not getting oxygen back into the must, simply pumping out the CO2. I think this would be a good way to force your yeast to vastly under perform. You want to use an air stone setup for degassing during fermentation. I guess I've not heard of this being employeed in wine making as much as beer and mead but I suppose the same principle applies.

DoctorCAD · 11-13-2011, 01:31 PM

Stirring will give you all the O2 your yeast needs.

Insomniac · 11-13-2011, 01:55 PM

Airstone during the first few days of fermentation, maybe. But later on you don't want to be adding oxygen. I've not heard of degassing during fermentation so i imagine its not really needed, I occasionally give the carboy a bit of a shake to off gas a bit, but that's more because it looks cool

BryanThompson · 11-14-2011, 12:28 PM

That makes a lot of sense. I thought the degassing was to only get rid of CO2. It seems really obvious that it would pull the O2 out of solution as well. Thanks for helping me avoid that mistake guys.

Clifton · 02-16-2012, 09:55 PM

SteveHoward, thanks for posting this. I just bought an Ekco Winesaver and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use it. I just pulled gas out of a wine I thought was already still.

vinper · 02-17-2012, 02:38 PM

So you de-gas so you can bottle ? and not have to pasturize?

DoctorCAD · 02-17-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vinper

So you de-gas so you can bottle ? and not have to pasturize?

Degassing and pasteurization are not in any way related.

Degassing is to remove CO2 that is held in suspension during fermentation. The CO2, when it hits your palate, turns into carbolic (or carbonic, I can never remember which one) acid and that gives you a strange taste sensation. The amount in the wine isn't enough to affect the bottle like a restarted fermentation would. A totally degassed wine can restart if there are viable yeast cells and sugar left in the wine.

Pasteurization will kill any yeast left over, so it wouldn't restart and it might remove any trapped gas, but I don't know about the last part. In fact, I have rarely heard wine and pasteurizing mentioned in the same sentence.

**Blue_Monkey** · 09-12-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by daugenet

Please dont buy a gasgetter. you can make your own for WAY cheaper. (~$20)

I will admit that mine is not as pretty but has the exact same function. The first item has to be ordered. Everything else may be found at lowes :-)Here is the parts list.

http://www.sourcingmap.com/6mm-6mm-tube-type-plastic-pneumatic-vacuum-ejector-generator-p-116195.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&u tm_campaign=usfroogle

Plumbing section
1/4" OD polyethylene tubing (goes in bung)
3/8" OD polyethylene tubing (1/8' ID)
1/8" bard 1/4" MIP (should be brass)
3/8" to 1/4" plastic adapter (tubing reducer)
smallest stainless worm gear clamp (mine was 99 cents i believe)

Tool World
air compressor connector (I got the wrong one the first go round so check what your compressor requires)

The order of how the parts are connected goes like this;

bung, 1/4", reducer, 3/8", vacuum ejector, 3/8", barb(clamp on it), air compressor piece.

The tubing doesnt have to be as long as it is (i have 12ft total) but I have been lazy and not cut it to length just yet.

I just made one of these. Thanks! The vacuum ejector was purchased on Amazon for $13 and everything else, including the compressor fitting was bought at Lowes.