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Old 01-07-2009, 07:59 PM   #11
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got some info from the brewer....

Hello David,

1554 comes from a book published in 1554 by Alexandre Henne and Alphonse Wauters. It was at a certain point the oldest book that was referring to zwert or zwart beer, Flemish for black. We found it through a book from 1888 found in CSU here in town and older references in a library from a friend brewmaster in Belgium. This book and an earlier hand written parchment from 9/27/1447 are mentioning this beer. In the book there are also other recipes for Waeghebaert, Cuyte and Hoppe.



The recipes are only giving amounts of water and grains (different grains in Vilvoorde than in Brussels) in old units like setiers. No hop or spices are mentioned. So we had to make quite a bit of assumptions while developing the beer. In this part of Europe, Emperor Charles was ruling (he retired in 1556 to Spain). He had introduced hops in part of his territory, but I was not sure about Brussels. Brugge, 100 km west was still using gruit, since they had a very strong taxation establishment, a still existing building het Gruuthuuse, around this ingredient. Leuven 30 km East was already on hop, and was noticeably progressive for Flanders at that time (University started in 1425, brewery Stella Artois 1366 – who now bought Anheuser-Busch). I assumed in the development that Brussels was in-between but that this beer was not hopped. Assumptions are based on a beer named Hoppe (Flemish for hop) in 1554 and older roots, before hop, of zwert beer 1447 known at that time. I now know that Brussels used hop in 1554. But I also found already references to zwert beer in 1285, so the original beer was most likely gruit instead of hops.



Hope this helps and this is not too much information.

Have Fun,



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Old 01-07-2009, 09:48 PM   #12
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got some info from the brewer....

Hello David,

1554 comes from a book published in 1554 by Alexandre Henne and Alphonse Wauters. It was at a certain point the oldest book that was referring to zwert or zwart beer, Flemish for black. We found it through a book from 1888 found in CSU here in town and older references in a library from a friend brewmaster in Belgium. This book and an earlier hand written parchment from 9/27/1447 are mentioning this beer. In the book there are also other recipes for Waeghebaert, Cuyte and Hoppe.



The recipes are only giving amounts of water and grains (different grains in Vilvoorde than in Brussels) in old units like setiers. No hop or spices are mentioned. So we had to make quite a bit of assumptions while developing the beer. In this part of Europe, Emperor Charles was ruling (he retired in 1556 to Spain). He had introduced hops in part of his territory, but I was not sure about Brussels. Brugge, 100 km west was still using gruit, since they had a very strong taxation establishment, a still existing building het Gruuthuuse, around this ingredient. Leuven 30 km East was already on hop, and was noticeably progressive for Flanders at that time (University started in 1425, brewery Stella Artois 1366 – who now bought Anheuser-Busch). I assumed in the development that Brussels was in-between but that this beer was not hopped. Assumptions are based on a beer named Hoppe (Flemish for hop) in 1554 and older roots, before hop, of zwert beer 1447 known at that time. I now know that Brussels used hop in 1554. But I also found already references to zwert beer in 1285, so the original beer was most likely gruit instead of hops.



Hope this helps and this is not too much information.

Have Fun,



Peter
That's a very interesting/informative response. Kudos to NB for taking the time time to write that.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:46 PM   #13
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Kudos to NB for taking the time time to write that.
Agree that was pretty cool they took the time to go into more detail than what was on their site already!
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I miss Denver...Falling Rock, and going to NB. I bought the 1554 long sleeve tee shirt because that beer is so tastey, and brought back 2 growlers of it because it's freaking nice.

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Old 01-08-2009, 07:10 PM   #15
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Since I cant get it where I live and it seems to get nothing but positive comments/reviews I feel I need to brew this. Ideas on where to start? Anyone here have a recipe?

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Old 01-08-2009, 07:35 PM   #16
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Since I cant get it where I live and it seems to get nothing but positive comments/reviews I feel I need to brew this. Ideas on where to start? Anyone here have a recipe?
Copied this from another board. I'll add the link at the end because they did some tweeking and posted comments on it.

What I get from the brewery (Grady Hull, asst brwmstr):
60% Pale malt, then carapils, munich, black and chocolate. Mash at around 154° for 45m.
21 IBU's of Target for 35m, lager yeast fermented around 65ish. He also commented on my recipe assumptions, which gave a few more hints.
I'm now thinking something like:

1555

Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Volume: 7.33 gal
Boil Time: 75 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 78.00 %
Actual Efficiency: 78.12 %

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
7 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 60.22 %
1 lbs 14.0 oz Munich II (Weyermann) (8.5 SRM) Grain 16.13 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 12.90 %
12.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 6.45 %
8.0 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 4.30 %
0.75 oz Target [11.00 %] (35 min) Hops 21.9 IBU
1 Pkgs German Lager (White Labs #WLP830) Yeast-Lager

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.058 SG (1.050-1.075 SG)
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.015 SG (1.010-1.022 SG)
Estimated Color: 34.9 SRM (30.0-40.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 21.9 IBU (35.0-75.0 IBU)
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 5.61 % (5.00-7.00 %)



Mash Grain Weight: 11.63 lb Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F
Sparge Water: 4.14 gal
Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 14.53 qt of water at 168.9 F 154.0 F 45 min
Mash Out Add 5.81 qt of water at 209.8 F 168.0 F 10 min


Carbonation and Storage Carbonation Type: Kegged (Forced CO2)
Carbonation Volumes: 2.6 (2.3-2.9 vols)
Estimated Pressure: 14.4 PSI
Kegging Temperature: 42.0 F
Age for 2 weeks
Storage Temperature: 42.0 F

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Old 09-06-2009, 03:44 AM   #17
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hi i am new to this site and homebrewing. kinda jumped into the fire as i am presently trying this 1554 recipe. i have only made 4 batches (2 mr beer, 1 muntons and 1 all grain amber ale). will post how it came out. thanks and pls be patient as i am sure there will be plenty of noob questions.

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Old 09-06-2009, 04:17 AM   #18
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Well that would be true, because the 1554 is brewed by New Belgium brew co. which is in Fort Collins, Colorado and doesn't distribute outside of the western US as far as I know, I've never seen it when on the east coast at least, kinda how Yuengling doesn't distribute outside the North East US. Doubt they'd be exporting to Europe.
I live in Memphis(both outside the NE and the west) and both beers distribute here. So their distributions cover much more than that. Im happy as hell I get both beers, here, in the mid-south.
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Old 09-06-2009, 04:35 AM   #19
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my local liquor store carries it as well as some micro styles

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Old 09-06-2009, 04:52 AM   #20
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If I remember right, NB recently expanded their distribution. This is an old thread.

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