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Old 02-03-2011, 04:55 PM   #21
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Seriously Jimmy, this website is really geared towards the hobby side of things, it's really not a place for pros, though some have gone pro, but they usually stop hanging around here once they do, either because they are working their a$$e$ off trying to survive, or they hang out online with fellow professionals at the afore mentioned Probrewer.com.

Whenever someone posts on here professional related topics, all you get is a bunch of hobbyists pretty much speaking out of our own a$$es, on this stuff. Not lawyers, not pro brewers dealing with this stuff DAILY, not TTB experts on brewing legislation....Just hobbyists, like 'Paul said "with toilet parts and coolers." Not experts in the nuances of laws where commercial selling of beer/alcohol is concerned.

We may be great at helping you figure out good recipe, but getting it brewed and sold on a commercial scale, you really need to talk about it with experts.

I betcha that months before it became illegal, when there was a whiff about it, they started talking about it on probrewer, on a nuts an bolts level that relates to the professional level.

You best bet for real informantion, and not a lot of armchair speculation by a bunch or amateurs, is either Probrewer.com, someone from the TTB website or a Lawyer well versed on alcohol laws.

I know a hellova lot about brewing, I know a little bit about the laws just from attempting to read them, but I, and prolly noone on here, really knows enough to help you out, OR even point you, beyond what we did, to who to talk to.

Best of luck to you in all your endeavors.

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"with toilet parts and coolers."
Again with the coolers thing!!!!
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Old 02-03-2011, 05:03 PM   #23
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Again with the coolers thing!!!!
Not to forget turkey fryers, aquarium pumps, red oxygen bottles from the hardware store, bilge pumps and god knows what else...
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I am unfamiliar with any state that banned caffeinated alcoholic beverages. I believe some states banned specific drinks or beverages with a specific amount of caffeine and alcohol. The FDA, to my knowledge, did not set any standards but merely warned the companies producing the alcoholic energy drinks that if they did not change the products they would.

That said, you would need to look at the state limitations on caffeine in alcoholic beverages in the state(s) where your beer is produced and the state(s) where your beer is distributed to make sure you are compliant with their respective requirements. An attorney will be your best ally in that process.

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Old 02-03-2011, 05:31 PM   #25
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So its illegal to drink coffee while you are brewing?
Shhh! Don't give the FDA any more ideas.
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I am unfamiliar with any state that banned caffeinated alcoholic beverages. I believe some states banned specific drinks or beverages with a specific amount of caffeine and alcohol. The FDA, to my knowledge, did not set any standards but merely warned the companies producing the alcoholic energy drinks that if they did not change the products they would.

That said, you would need to look at the state limitations on caffeine in alcoholic beverages in the state(s) where your beer is produced and the state(s) where your beer is distributed to make sure you are compliant with their respective requirements. An attorney will be your best ally in that process.
I am pretty sure Michigan banned 4loko or whatever. I think they banned several drinks due to the addition of caffeine. I don't have a copy of the law, but I know my BIL was disappointed although he also admitted it tasted like sht.

I think Revvy hit it on the head. We just don't really know, and there is a place with lots more info. Good luck.
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4 loko and other drinks like that were pulled off the shelves and sent back to the distributors BUT, they have since come out with new versions that look the same and still taste like ass, but have omitted the caffeine in the new recipes.

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4 loko and other drinks like that were pulled off the shelves and sent back to the distributors BUT, they have since come out with new versions that look the same and still taste like ass, but have omitted the caffeine in the new recipes.

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They are just as good as they used to be if you add a '5 Hour Energy' to each can.
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We make beer in buckets with toilet parts and coolers.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.... I can use parts from my toilet? Where is that thread?
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We make beer in buckets with toilet parts and coolers, this might not be the best place for you.
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