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Old 04-25-2012, 04:27 AM   #1
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YEA, is that possible? I would love to set up a starter for my beers (ever since I moved into all grain its given me a bit more $$ to spend on my yeast) but I don't want to buy DME.

is their anything else I can use to start up my yeast before I pitch it in?

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Old 04-25-2012, 04:33 AM   #2
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YEA, is that possible? I would love to set up a starter for my beers (ever since I moved into all grain its given me a bit more $$ to spend on my yeast) but I don't want to buy DME.

is their anything else I can use to start up my yeast before I pitch it in?
You can make a wort of around 1.040 and use that. Just be sure to keep it simple, as in using only 2 row pale or pilsener malt. You can also make a high density wort and dilute it to 1.040 when you're making a starter (AB actually brews a high gravity beer and then dilutes it to achieve Budweiser). I like to add just a pinch of hops in order to help inoculate the wort against infection and so that the yeast get used to an environment with hops in it from the jump.

EDIT: for what it's worth, buying DME can actually be less expensive (and is certainly less of a hassle) than making a starter wort. Do the math and I think you'll see I'm right. In any event, good luck!
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Just don't use plain sugar; it basically will train the yeast to only ferment simple sugars and ignore maltose. I'd just get DME, but you could also be brave and try Milk Duds.

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Some people use a malt beverage found in grocery stores called Malto, I believe. You'll still want to make sure the OG of it is in the area of 1.040 before you use it though.

IF you buy the DME in more than 1# bags it's usually cheaper. Buy it from one of the online stores (shop around) and it becomes even cheaper. I've gotten 3# bags from both Williams and Rebel Brewer for far less than what the LHBS charges. Add it to your next order and you're set.

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When ever I make a low gravity beer, like a mild, I usually make a few extra gallons. I store it in large freezer ziplocs in the freezer. On 'starter day', I simply set it out in the morning. By the time I get home from work, I can dump it in a pot, boil for 15 minutes, cool, and pitch.

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8 pounds of the cheapest 2-row from the LHBS gets me 5 gallons of 1.040 wort.
That is the cheapest option for me at $8. When I start buying grain in bulk, this cost drops to $6. I can't seem to find DME for that price.
Since I can the wort, I don't need to boil, just mash and then collect in jars.

However, canning 5 gallons of wort is pretty much an 8 hour task. Luckily I only need to do it once every 9 months or so.

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Some people use a malt beverage found in grocery stores called Malto, I believe. You'll still want to make sure the OG of it is in the area of 1.040 before you use it though.

IF you buy the DME in more than 1# bags it's usually cheaper. Buy it from one of the online stores (shop around) and it becomes even cheaper. I've gotten 3# bags from both Williams and Rebel Brewer for far less than what the LHBS charges. Add it to your next order and you're set.
I can just add sugar to it until its 1.04
that's not a bad option........I'm just kinda surprised that it actually works :P
is maltoo a malt powder, or is it already in liquid form?
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I can just add sugar to it until its 1.04
that's not a bad option........I'm just kinda surprised that it actually works :P
is maltoo a malt powder, or is it already in liquid form?
It doesn't need to be 1.040. I target 1.030. Most yeast cos. use more like 1.020.
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Malta works quite well and it's stupid quick & easy. It's about 1.060 SG so I dilute to 1.030-1.040, boil for a few minutes and there you are. Think of Malta as unfermented Yuengling.
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