Target Water Profile for Pliny the Elder Clone

stevenryals · 07-21-2009, 01:44 PM

think RRB is in Santa Rosa, CA, anyone have a good water profile to clone this beer?

z987k · 07-23-2009, 04:09 AM

I'm no authority on pliny or anything of that nature but I got a spreadsheet from saq tonight that had a profile for it. No idea as to it's accuracy.
CA MG NA HCO3 SO4 CL
76 13 9 26 133 56

stevenryals · 07-23-2009, 05:57 PM

is that for RRB or is that for Santa Rosa, CA?

z987k · 07-23-2009, 10:51 PM

doesn't say. I'll see if saq wants to weigh in on it.

saq · 07-23-2009, 11:01 PM

I got the numbers for the PTE water profile from an article Mike McDole wrote somewhere regarding his development of his award winning IIPA, and he said he got it directly from Vinnie Cilruzo @ RRB who he's friends with. So supposedly that is the water profile of PTE in the HLT.

My water profile spreadsheet can be obtained here. Its not as comprehensive around the concept of 'is your water profile good for this SRM of wort' but its more towards making your custom water profile just how you want it.
www.thesaq.net - /beer/waterprofile/
On page 2 with all my collected water profiles I have a custom developed water profile for pale colored beers as I felt PTE was thin in malt and bitterness, and that some more SO4 would improve that. I used this water profile in Hopinator batch 1 and 2, which took first in class IPA in western longshot regionals 2009. I really think its perfect for pale-ish slightly bitter/hoppy to very bitter/hoppy ales.

stevenryals · 07-24-2009, 03:29 PM

great, our water here in Birmingham is quite soft.. and great for low SRM beers... so shouldn't be really that much tweaking to get to this pliney.. but I want this to be as perfet as possible!!! ($35 worth of hops, it better!! lol)

stevenryals · 07-24-2009, 03:33 PM

Target:
CA MG NA HCO3 SO4 CL
76 13 9 26 133 56[/QUOTE]
Local:
15 4 2 25 8 5

good news.. easier to add, than to take away

saq · 07-24-2009, 09:03 PM

That is some nice water stevenryals. As long as its low in chloride and other gunk you should be able to use my water profile tool to build up the necessary salts to get close. IMO my custom water profile would be a better choice for a low SRM bitter hop focused beer than the original PTE

Have you ever had the authentic PTE off draft?

**Bsquared** · 07-31-2009, 06:15 PM

I got this from the water department In Santa Rosa web site

Maybe its changed a bit, or their water is from a different well, but I see

SO4 @ 8.6 ppm
Cl @8.08 ppm
Fe @ 16.7 ppb
Mn @ 9 ppb
Na @ 13.8 ppm
CaCO3 Total Hardness @ 90.1ppm
CaCO3 Total Alkalinity @ 102 ppm
Ca @ 18.3 ppm

**Bsquared** · 07-31-2009, 06:43 PM

I'm brewing this this Sunday , and with a $53 hop bill, I want to get it spot on!

I got this from Mike McDole's posting at Maltose Falcons

It looks like he does a significant adjustment with his SO4:Cl ratio bringing it up to 7:1

"Notes

Mike McDole's joins a proud few, a fraternity that includes brewers like Jamil Zainasheff and John Maier. Winning last year for his Eisbock, Mike goes in a different direction with a full on hop blast with his DIPA.

From Mike's notes:

As anyone who tasted my Double IPA would tell you, it's based on Vinnie's Pliny The Elder recipe (2004). I've modified his recipe by adding a Northern Brewer addition at 15 minutes and a cascade hopback treatment. I also reduced the amount of corn sugar by two thirds. Mine’s a bit maltier but the additional hops seem to balance that out. Once you get over the bitterness and alcohol, the most impressive thing about this beer is the great mouthfeel from the dexitrins and layered hops.

Notes:

The water was R/O to which was added gypsum, Epsom Salt, and salt to bring it to Ca-110ppm, Mg-118ppm, Na-17ppm, SO4-350ppm, Cl-50ppm. "