Yes another cloudy beer question

[Nathan666]

Hi guys and girls, Yes another cloudy beer question I'm brewing a coopers English bitter the og was 1.035-1.040 it's been in primary for 11 days at 20 degrees Celsius just measured my fg and it is 1.009 but still looks really cloudy and doesn't taste very nice yet,
So my question is how to get it to be clear? And will the taste change also when should I put into pressurised barrel? And how long should I leave it in there? Thanks in advance

Few pics from beginning to end




So this was day 5 I think











I think this was day 8




This was day 10








And the last 2 is today day 11

Sorry about the long post

 

[azscoob]

Most people will tell you to let the beer sit for 3 weeks to a month in the primary, then rack it to your bottling bucket with your priming sugar and bottle it, let the bottles sit a minimum of 3 weeks to condition and properly carb, then stick a few of those bottles in the fridge for a week or so to chill and carefully pour into your glass leaving the sediment behind in the bottle. you should have nice clear beer at that point.

Most cloudy beer issues stem from not sitting long enough for the yeast to drop out, that additional time will also let the yeast clean up some off flavors from the initial fermentation.

 

[Sardoman]

Listen to azscoob. He's right.

 

[prpromin]

It'll clear more if you leave it alone for another week or two. Also, what you taste now will most likely not be what you taste after carbonated and cold.

EDIT: Looks like azscoob beat me to the reply. What he said.

 

[azscoob]

re-reading your post it seems you will be kegging your beer?

is this correct?

 

[unionrdr]

Yup,absolutely. Same thing I've been preaching. As a brewer,you absolutely MUST HAVE PATIENCE!!!! The yeast know what they'er doing,just give'em the time to do it. Get to FG,however long that takes. Then give it an additional 3-7 days to settle out clear or slightly misty. By slightly misty I mean you can see through it in the hydrometer tube,but not clearly. Then bottle it up. It'll settle out crystal clear in a couple of days usually,no more than 7. When kegging,you want it as clear as possible at racking time. So an additional couple of days to settle out may be needed. Not to mention,you still need a little conditioning time in kegs as well.
This will def give a better quality brew,all other things being equal.

 

[azscoob]

If you are kegging, use the set and forget method of carbing, fill the keg and seal, purge the air from it with CO2 and park it in your kegerator at serving temp and hooked up to the CO2 tank at serving pressure, let this sit to slowly carb up over 3 weeks and pull yourself a pint, the first pint or two may be cloudy but the rest should be nice and clear.

 

[aiptasia]

+1 to that. Just let it sit in the primary for about 3 weeks. If it still looks cloudy after that, you can try cold crashing the beer by chilling the beer to about 45 degrees f for a few days to a week to force the remaining yeasts to floc out and settle.

If it still looks cloudy after that, you probably have some residual proteins from the malts in the beer (a cosmetic condition known as chill haze). Many of these compounds can be removed by adding irish moss to the boil (or whirlfloc), or adding hot liquid gelatin to the beer when it's very cold (40 degrees f) to bind out the proteins. There's lots of threads on cold crashing and the gelatin trick, just search for them.

 

[unionrdr]

In my experience,chill haze is like a misty fog in the bottles that settles over a couple days. Easy to minimize or elliminate by chilling the wort in 20 minutes or less. No whirlfloc or anything needed.

 

[Nathan666]

I'm not kegging into a proper keg it's going into a plastic beer keg with a tap on the bottem called a pressurise barrel I'm going to siphon it into there in about another week and add 50 carbonation drops as I don't have the co2 and equipment to do it correctly will it still be fine in that plastic keg or should I bottle with 2 carb drops per bottle?

 

[unionrdr]

We don't see to much of the pressure barrels over hear. It's either full on kegging,or bottling usually. 50 carb drops would be interesting insomuch as the barrel holding the pressure. Don't forget to lube the seals too. The problem arrises as the beer level goes down,there's more head space in the pressure barrel. The co2 off gasses into sais space,& the beer slowly goes flat. Just like the commercial barrels you folks have over there. This made me think of The Beer Hunter show.

 

[Nathan666]

Ok that's fine I think I'll try it with carb drops in the pressure barrel tosee if it's ok it will probably be flat half way down unless i have a few people round and we drink it all in 1 night lol

 

[Nathan666]

So to be able to use co2 on my pressure barrel what do I need? A new screw on lid for the top and a co2 bullet holder and then the co2 bullets?
Were is the beat and cheapest place toget these thanks really learned a lot from you guys on here!!

 

[chaos2984]

well im having the same issue i brewed a irish red ale and served it for superbowl and it was good just cloudy it was in the primary for 2 weeks secondary for 1 week and 4 days in fridge to cold crash then carbed for a week.

But this latest brew im trying some irish moss this time and we will see what happens

 

[unionrdr]

So to be able to use co2 on my pressure barrel what do I need? A new screw on lid for the top and a co2 bullet holder and then the co2 bullets?
Were is the beat and cheapest place toget these thanks really learned a lot from you guys on here!!

Your LHBS should have them. Or a web site over there should have what you need to connect them to the pressure barrel.

 

[Nathan666]

There is a lhbs anywere near me apart from this small one which doesn't sell much but I will have a look on Internet will you just walk me throughout how to donut and what I need So I don't order the wrong thing lol

 

[Nathan666]

Edit : there isn't *

 

[unionrdr]

Basically,it's a cap that has a provision for the thing the co2 cartridge goes in to connect to.

 

[Nathan666]

Ok brilliant an does that just basically keep the pressure on top of the beer to push it out and how long will one co2 cartridge last? Will it keep it ok for a full 5 gallon barrel?

 

[unionrdr]

Yes,it keeps plenty of co2 in the head space as the beer level goes down to keep it carbonated. I do believe one cartridge is good for the whole batch. Be sure to let us know if that's true. Good info to save in this thread for the future.

 

[Nathan666]

Ok great will let you know I am going to put into keg in about 2-4 more days I think I'll keep y'all posted thanks for help

 

[unionrdr]

No problem man. Keep us informed.

 

[Nathan666]

Ok yesterday was bottling day the first brew I've bottled everything you could imagine went wrong bashed fermenter bucket as I was lifting to a height broke a bottle spilled all over the floor lol but hopefully will tub out good.
Ok so I have only bottled 8 bottles and I'm leaving it in fermenter for a bit longer just wanted to bottle a couple I'm leaving this at room temp for 1 weekthen should I put it in fridge for 2 days then taste? And depending how this turns out think I will keg the rest
I used dark and then one clear bottle to see what's happening inside I done 4 with carbonation drops and 4 with suger to see if there's any difference

 

[Nathan666]

Ok so beer has been in bottles at room temp for 4 days now how long should I leave there? And after that I will put in fridge but for how long? And then once in fridge how long do I leave there before I try 1?

 

[Nathan666]

Tasting day tomorrow it has been in fridge now for about 9 days still looks a little cloudy yeast has settled to the bottem any tips or just slow pour and enjoy?

 

[unionrdr]

They won't be carbed or conditioned in 4 days flat,def not at all in the fridge. You absolutely cannot rush the process. It won't work. They need to be conditioned/carbed for a minimum of 3-4 weeks at room tenp. Then at least a week in the fridge after that to get the co2 into solution.

 

[Nathan666]

Aha ok I see right well al leave them at room for another 2 and half weeks then fridge them for a week

 

[unionrdr]

You'll be far more pleased with the results. It's not a very quick process.

 

[Nathan666]

Ok thanks for the tip I'll let it do it's thing for a while longer

 

[Nathan666]

Ok tasting day and wow it looked great smelled great and tasted "ok" probably great to some people but a little yeasty for me here's few pics of first pour



Any tips on what to try next I want something light in body and colour but any suggestions would be great

 

[unionrdr]

A pale ale with 2oz of hops is always good around here.

 

[Nathan666]

Yeh I was thinking of trying that bext