American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[brew703]

is everyone still using S-04 as the yeast?

 

[Lazer Wolf Brewing]

Hey Guys, I wish I had time to go through this entire thread, but alas, too much work to do. Is the recipe in post #1 current or has everyone decided on certain modifications that aren't reflected there?

Also, I have decided to do away with the 15, 10, 5, and 1 minute hop additions and do a hopstand/whirpool instead. Can someone who has experience with hopstands and this recipe tell me what quantities/temperatures/durations you've used? Do you recommend keeping any of those additions that I am declining to do?

As always, thanks for the insight.

 

[tschafer]

hopstand - 170-175 degrees for 30…solid extraction on my system

 

[theLDP]

I was happy with my 30 min hop stand. Very flavorful. I just bottled today. I did the 15 and 5 addition. Everything else was hop stand. 170.

 

[ruascott]

I'm thinking of using this grain bill and doing a different single hop. Thinking maybe Columbus? I'm a huge Citra lover and have kind of been over-doing it. Anyone done this grain bill with another single hop?

Also plan to cut down a lot of the additions and move them to a hopstand. I just did this (30m hopstand) on a Permanent Funeral clone, and while the final product isn't ready, what I've tasted/smelled so far seems incredible.

 

[mrgrimm101]

I'm thinking of using this grain bill and doing a different single hop. Thinking maybe Columbus? I'm a huge Citra lover and have kind of been over-doing it. Anyone done this grain bill with another single hop?

Also plan to cut down a lot of the additions and move them to a hopstand. I just did this (30m hopstand) on a Permanent Funeral clone, and while the final product isn't ready, what I've tasted/smelled so far seems incredible.

I've done pretty much the same grain bill, but with a combo of Citra, Galaxy, and Columbus. It turned out great. If you're trying to do a single hop, my vote would be Galaxy.

 

[brewprint]

I'm thinking of using this grain bill and doing a different single hop. Thinking maybe Columbus? I'm a huge Citra lover and have kind of been over-doing it. Anyone done this grain bill with another single hop?

Also plan to cut down a lot of the additions and move them to a hopstand. I just did this (30m hopstand) on a Permanent Funeral clone, and while the final product isn't ready, what I've tasted/smelled so far seems incredible.

I use this grain bill all the time but I haven't done a single hop. There's always 2 or 3 and Nugget is always used for bittering.

It's a solid grain bill but I am getting tired of it. The backbone is always the same regardless of hops. I highly recommend trying it with variations.

 

[atimmerman88]

I'm thinking of using this grain bill and doing a different single hop. Thinking maybe Columbus? I'm a huge Citra lover and have kind of been over-doing it. Anyone done this grain bill with another single hop?

Also plan to cut down a lot of the additions and move them to a hopstand. I just did this (30m hopstand) on a Permanent Funeral clone, and while the final product isn't ready, what I've tasted/smelled so far seems incredible.

I've done this is Falconers Flight with good results.

 

[psylent777]

Looking to make an extract version of this but can only get Briess Pilsen Light. Would there be any noticeable difference between that and the extra light?

I'm guessing the colour would be a bit darker, and maybe a bit roastier.. not sure so I thought I'd ask.

 

[ruascott]

Looking to make an extract version of this but can only get Briess Pilsen Light. Would there be any noticeable difference between that and the extra light?

I'm guessing the colour would be a bit darker, and maybe a bit roastier.. not sure so I thought I'd ask.

That's what I used, and what my LHBS uses for this clone kit.

 

[psylent777]

That's what I used, and what my LHBS uses for this clone kit.

Sweet! Good to know.

I figured the difference would be pretty negligible. Can't wait to make this, would love to make the AG version (for control / lower cost) but I can't do full 5 gal boils at this point. BUT SOON..

 

[mprowland]

Has anyone built a water profile for this with R.O. water? I'm using R.O. for the first time and need a ballpark number for salt additions.
Thanks!

 

[ruascott]

Sweet! Good to know.

I figured the difference would be pretty negligible. Can't wait to make this, would love to make the AG version (for control / lower cost) but I can't do full 5 gal boils at this point. BUT SOON..

What size pot do you have? I have a 30qt turkey fryer and can do this with the BIAB method. I have to use a second 5 gal plastic bucket and do a dunk sparge. Then fill as high as possible for my boil...usually about 6g. I put the remaining sparge water in a 2nd kitchen pot, about 1g or so, and boil that separately. Then add into fermenter as my "top off" water. I hit 78% efficiency last time. And got 5.5g into fermenter.

Tasks a bit more work, and clearly more time, but I'm happy with it for now.

 

[BlurryEyed]

What size pot do you have? I have a 30qt turkey fryer and can do this with the BIAB method. I have to use a second 5 gal plastic bucket and do a dunk sparge. Then fill as high as possible for my boil...usually about 6g. I put the remaining sparge water in a 2nd kitchen pot, about 1g or so, and boil that separately. Then add into fermenter as my "top off" water. I hit 78% efficiency last time. And got 5.5g into fermenter.

Tasks a bit more work, and clearly more time, but I'm happy with it for now.

Those are some great tactics for BIAB'ers with smaller kettles. Thank you!

 

[MMJfan]

What size pot do you have? I have a 30qt turkey fryer and can do this with the BIAB method. I have to use a second 5 gal plastic bucket and do a dunk sparge. Then fill as high as possible for my boil...usually about 6g. I put the remaining sparge water in a 2nd kitchen pot, about 1g or so, and boil that separately. Then add into fermenter as my "top off" water. I hit 78% efficiency last time. And got 5.5g into fermenter.

Tasks a bit more work, and clearly more time, but I'm happy with it for now.

I do something similar only I use a 5 gal. kettle to do a dunk sparge with and I get great efficiency as well.

It may take a bit more time, but it works for me...

 

[theLDP]

I posted earlier that I used Wyeast 1272 fermented at 65. Real happy with it. I will try the esb next time.

 

[copper2hopper]

Always love checking back in on this thread!

+1 on doing hopstand. I did up a 12 gallon batch a week ago and did a 45 minute hopstand at170 with 12oz of Citra. My only addition to the boil was approximately 17ml of hopshot at 60 minutes. I used this same method with the same volume just this past summer with using s-04 in one fermentor and 1968 the other. Both very good but I much preferred the 1968 keg over s-04. Of all the times I have ever done this recipe (10+) using the hopshot with hopstand method (and 1968 yeast) has been the best and closest to the real ZD IMO.

This batch around I split using omega DIPA in one fermentor and Yeastbay Funktown Pale Ale Yeast in the other (both are second generation from previous other IPA's I brewed) and can't freaking wait for the turnout. I know they really won't be close to the real ZD like 1968 produced but I love these two yeasts and the flavor they produce and I figured this recipe will be perfect for them. I Will keep you all posted

 

[ruascott]

Always love checking back in on this thread!

+1 on doing hopstand. I did up a 12 gallon batch a week ago and did a 45 minute hopstand at170 with 12oz of Citra. My only addition to the boil was approximately 17ml of hopshot at 60 minutes. I used this same method with the same volume just this past summer with using s-04 in one fermentor and 1968 the other. Both very good but I much preferred the 1968 keg over s-04. Of all the times I have ever done this recipe (10+) using the hopshot with hopstand method (and 1968 yeast) has been the best and closest to the real ZD IMO.

This batch around I split using omega DIPA in one fermentor and Yeastbay Funktown Pale Ale Yeast in the other (both are second generation from previous other IPA's I brewed) and can't freaking wait for the turnout. I know they really won't be close to the real ZD like 1968 produced but I love these two yeasts and the flavor they produce and I figured this recipe will be perfect for them. I Will keep you all posted

Wow..great info here. I just did a Permanent Funeral clone using a hopstand method, and it turned out incredible. I'm gonna go back to this one and follow your advice regarding the hopshot and hopstand onl method.

 

[ctufano]

i need to look up what hopshot and hopstand is... im about to brew this up for my wife.

once i hit reply, i realized hopshot is that syringe of oils. got it. googling hopstand now

 

[GRBC]

i need to look up what hopshot and hopstand is... im about to brew this up for my wife.

once i hit reply, i realized hopshot is that syringe of oils. got it. googling hopstand now

(Often a large amount of) Hops added at or after flameout, that then soak for up to an hour (but often 15-30 minutes) in the hot, but no longer boiling wort. Sometimes referred to as whirlpool additions. The basic idea is that you get a large amount of hop flavor, moderate hop aroma, and even some bitterness (if the wort is still >~180F). Essentially the inverse of the effect from hops that are boiled for 60 minutes.

Some people replace the traditional flavor & aroma additions done at 30 minutes & less with a large hop stand/whirlpool addition.

 

[ruascott]

Going to do this one again....even have a couple bottles of real ZD on hand to compare.

Was going to mix in some other hops, but now that I've got the real thing to compare side by side I'll have to go original recipe.

Going to do the hopshot and hopstand mentioned above. Damn Citra prices are killer....only this and Amarillo will they not provide a bulk discount at the LHBS. $3/oz is painful. Going to have to go online if I keep this one going.

 

[Laserrs]

I assume Briess Golden Light DME at 4SRM is ok for this recipe or should I make some adjustments? Picked everything up to do a 6g biab method with S-04. Though plans to make it this weekend were promptly squashed, next weekend is mine!

$3/oz? Dang, my local place had citra at $2.10/oz or $20 for a pound. Yes I opted for the pound.

 

[brew703]

I brewed a two gallon batch of this today. Came in a little short so had to add a bit of top off water. More boil off than expected. Gravity was way over, should have been 1.063 and ended at 1.078. Not sure why it ended high. Had a good rolling boil for the entire 60 min boil.
According to Brewers Friend, my conversion efficiency was 94.1%, preboil at 87%, ending kettle at 86%.
Preboil OG was 1.048. This is assuming I entered all info correctly.
Oh well, will wait and see how it turns out.

 

[ruascott]

I assume Briess Golden Light DME at 4SRM is ok for this recipe or should I make some adjustments? Picked everything up to do a 6g biab method with S-04. Though plans to make it this weekend were promptly squashed, next weekend is mine!

$3/oz? Dang, my local place had citra at $2.10/oz or $20 for a pound. Yes I opted for the pound.

$20/lb? Wow....do they take mail orders?

$25/lb is cheapest I've found online, plus $8 shipping.

 

[Laserrs]

I'll ask, wait a minute maybe I should horde first lol

 

[k1ngl1ves]

Going to do this one again....even have a couple bottles of real ZD on hand to compare.

Was going to mix in some other hops, but now that I've got the real thing to compare side by side I'll have to go original recipe.

Going to do the hopshot and hopstand mentioned above. Damn Citra prices are killer....only this and Amarillo will they not provide a bulk discount at the LHBS. $3/oz is painful. Going to have to go online if I keep this one going.

ZD is the best within two weeks of it being bottled. I suggest you drink it now. Lol!

 

[ruascott]

ZD is the best within two weeks of it being bottled. I suggest you drink it now. Lol!

I've had it several times, bottle and draft....but too much time lag to recall how close I got. I'll probably drink one now while brewing and then another in 3 weeks when I keg this one!

 

[ctufano]

Brewed this yesterday for my first time doing all grain solo. Had a low OG :\ Did the 5 gallon batch and Beersmith said ~1.062 for OG, mine was ballpark 1.044. Hard to read with all the hop debris from the pellets

Not sure why was so low... knew going in my efficiency wouldnt be great but figured better than that... Mashed the 4.4 gallons @ 162 for 60 minutes, then fly sparged pretty slow with 168 degree water until 7.5 gallon approx (estimated pre boil was 7.37 stated in beersmith). Maybe I should I have just gone by gravity readings over volume?

I think next time I run an all batch I'll just add more grain to compensate for my low efficiency

Anyway, pitched two packs of yeast and by this morning I've got a good bubble goin Looking forward to trying in a month or so.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Brewed this yesterday for my first time doing all grain solo. Had a low OG :\ Did the 5 gallon batch and Beersmith said ~1.062 for OG, mine was ballpark 1.044. Hard to read with all the hop debris from the pellets

Not sure why was so low... knew going in my efficiency wouldnt be great but figured better than that... Mashed the 4.4 gallons @ 162 for 60 minutes, then fly sparged pretty slow with 168 degree water until 7.5 gallon approx (estimated pre boil was 7.37 stated in beersmith). Maybe I should I have just gone by gravity readings over volume?

I think next time I run an all batch I'll just add more grain to compensate for my low efficiency

Anyway, pitched two packs of yeast and by this morning I've got a good bubble goin Looking forward to trying in a month or so.

What was your pre-boil gravity

 

[ctufano]

you know, i didnt take.... :\ probably should have, meant to.