American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[skeezerpleezer]

Hi Skeezer, first of all thanks for the post and compliments on the results. Regarding the choice of yeast I wanted to ask you what do you think of the Wyeast London 1318 ale III. It should be similar to the S04: fruity, gentle, well-balanced and with a hint not as sweet as 1968, that produces distinctly malty beers with higher FG.
I would also ask how do you behave with carbonation: CO2 volumes and types of sugar used.
I care to have your own opinion before brewing 6 gal of this nectar

I have never used 1318, but by the sounds of it, it would work well.

For the carb, I usually keg, so carb to around 2.5, then push with around 13psi on the regulator. If bottling, I use this calculator to determine how much priming sugar (I use corn sugar for priming): http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/recipator/carbonation.html

 

[sparky701]

Just got this in secondary with dry hops. Oh WOW does this taste good. Yeast did great job 1.008. This is going to be difficult to wait for.

 

[tizioloda]

Thanks for the advices. Since in Italy find citra hops is almost impossible, I tried on ebay looking for a seller available to do International Shipping. Having found it, there’s nothing left but order a good deal and start brewing. I will try to use the 1318 and you'll know the results, even if without having the original beer is difficult to make accurate comparisons…

 

[paraordnance]

I didn't had crystal 60, only 40 on hand. So I added 4 oz of amber malt to compensate and now kicking myself for doing that since it came out little darker than it should. Wort also smelled little toasty. Did i ruin the batch? What should I expect?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I didn't had crystal 60, only 40 on hand. So I added 4 oz of amber malt to compensate and now kicking myself for doing that since it came out little darker than it should. Wort also smelled little toasty. Did i ruin the batch? What should I expect?

You should maybe expect a darker version , but damn fine beer. You didn't add enough to change it much. Its a hop forward beer, 4oz of amber wont affect it.

 

[sparky701]

Just poured a glass of this out of keg and all I can say is wow what a damn good beer! I'll be doing this again ag version now that I got my self sent up for it. Anyone one try this with MO? Never used it just wondered what the difference would be.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Just poured a glass of this out of keg and all I can say is wow what a damn good beer! I'll be doing this again ag version now that I got my self sent up for it. Anyone one try this with MO? Never used it just wondered what the difference would be.

Sparky, you got my attention! I just bought a bag of Maris Otter ($40, gotta love group buys!) I have a big stout to do this weekend, but will try to do a new ZD with MO. I haven't used it before, so I ask anyone that has to chime in. Should it be all MO for base malt, or 50:50 MO/2row?

 

[sparky701]

Good deal 40 for 50lbs! Alright I'm new to brewing beer so what the difference between the two? I've haven't brewed with MO yet. Is it just for stouts and porters?

 

[pickles]

I don't have any Munich. What are everyone's thoughts on subbing Victory?

 

[drawdy10]

If you are going for a clone then get the grains it calls for, you will possibly regret it if just that one grain threw it off. The main focus for this err is getting the best citra hops you can.

 

[pickles]

I ended up going another route today. I'll try this in the future when I get some Munich.

 

[eviljay]

Just did this today. I love the smell of citra as a fwh. I can't wait to drink this!

 

[runningweird]

Brewing 10 gallons of this right now, need to replenish the taps.

Thank again for the recipe

 

[Ericbme]

This dust tastes divine! Thanks!!!

 

[uniTTy]

am i correct in assuming that the complete hop schedule is utilizing all whole cone hops, no pellets?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

am i correct in assuming that the complete hop schedule is utilizing all whole cone hops, no pellets?

No. The recipe is based on pellets.

 

[uniTTy]

thanks... even the dry hop?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Yep. Not mandatory though.

 

[eviljay]

I hate cleaning out a carboy with 3 oz of whole hops!

 

[chiteface]

I know this will be sacrilege, but I would like to try this recipe with galaxy hops, but can only get 5oz. If I just wanted to really profile galaxy alone, but they are so damn hard to find and over 3 an oz when I can find it. Any suggestions for "neutral hops"(looking for low bitter taste, mild flavor profile) for the bitter and maybe even at some other times, or should I just forget it, use the galaxy for another recipe and do this directly.

 

[uniTTy]

for the extract recipe, i thought munich was mash only... am i missing something?

and Melanoiden?

 

[Grinnan5150]

I wonder how different this would taste using WLP001 vs. Wyeast1968 or even WLP002? I want to make this but because it will be difficult to get the temperature in my house to stay between 64-68 for the 002 I was thinking of using WLP001. I'm sure it won't be a dead on clone but I would think it would still taste like a pretty damn good APA. Thoughts? Concerns? Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[eviljay]

Mine is still a little green but the 04 was eerily close to the real zombie dust. I'd just stick with that imho.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I wonder how different this would taste using WLP001 vs. Wyeast1968 or even WLP002? I want to make this but because it will be difficult to get the temperature in my house to stay between 64-68 for the 002 I was thinking of using WLP001. I'm sure it won't be a dead on clone but I would think it would still taste like a pretty damn good APA. Thoughts? Concerns? Discuss amongst yourselves.

I have used S-05 (same as WLP001, but cheaper and higher cell count per package), S-04 (Dry English Yeast), and 1968.

S-05 ends a little lower FG, which allows the bitterness to come through and taste is a little drier.

S-04 ends a couple points higher FG, so is a bit sweeter than the S-05, more fruity esters also.

1969 finished a bit higher than the S-04. It was also fruity. I will mash a bit lower the next time I use this.

All three ended up being fantastic beers. So, if you want it to be more like the real Zombie Dust then use one of the English yeasts. If you like beers a bit dryer and more bitter, the S-05 (Cali ale yeast).

 

[sivdrinks]

I brewed this today with some mods for my setup and higher alpha Citra. Used Zythos at FWH to save on Citra, couldnt get Melanoid malt either. I started paying attention to the BU-GU, do you know what you guys ratio is? My revised recipe.

http://hopville.com/recipe/1402348/american-ipa-recipes/zombie-dust-v1

 

[eviljay]

After making this with the original recipe, I'd never ever deviate from it. I can't imagine it could get any better.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

65.9/65= basically 1:1 BU:GU

 

[sivdrinks]

After making this with the original recipe, I'd never ever deviate from it. I can't imagine it could get any better.

My Citra AA were higher than Skeezers and I do 5 gallons compared to his 6 so I had to alter it somewhat. Skeezer, any thoughts about getting the color closer to the original? I could care less really, I'll never get to taste it.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

since you are doing 5g instead of 6, you could reduce the C60 and aromatic from 8oz to 6.66 oz, that may lighten it up. The recipe I have posted is almost perfect on color.

Are you in Lebanon the country?

 

[drawdy10]

Back to the yeast question. After making about 12 gallons of this with two packets of 04 pitched directly on it I am thinking that the yeast may have a little to do with the flavor differentiation so maye trying a liquid would help but that being saidTho citra hops, or all hops for that matter can taste quite different from crop to crop and supplier to supplier. Freshness, storage conditions are all huge factors in my opinion you see these hoppy beers changing so fast over time. This is a fantastic recipe, has been fun drinking and sharing this one with people, I definitely don't regret going for the double batch on my first try, skeezers recipes are great.