Things about your co-workers that annoy you
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TheCADJockey
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I could've done the job I'm doing now, when I got out of high school 14 years ago. Nobody would hire me because I didn't have a college degree. Now that I have the degree, I can finally do that job I just don't make enough money to pay off the college.
Starting to miss working BOH in a steakhouse. Much less stress. Little responsibility. Pretty damn similar pay.
The jobs would be more portable if fewer of the people hiring were idiots. "We are only hiring welders with 5 years experience". Or, "you must have pressure vessel experience". Or, "you have to have overseas experience". Or "you have to pass certification tests in stick, tig, mig, plate, pipe, be a structual fitter, pipe fitter, read prints, have a full physical, drug test, background test, and we will call you in 2 months to let you know if you are hired".
Not quite sure why that makes the people doing the hiring idiots? I have certain criteria that needs to be met, and if you can't meet that criteria, why should I hire you? (not necessarily you specifically
I'm referring to the royal you)As far as drug testing? Well, that's pretty damn simple. If you have drugs in your system, I will not hire you. Period. Don't really care if my Federal contracts dictate that or not. Liability associated with having someone on drugs on one of my projects, or in one of my vehicles, or even in my office is astounding.
Background check. Again, pretty simple. If you are a convicted felon due to...oh, I don't know, aggravated murder and you just got out of jail? You will not work for me. Now, if you have a felony for stealing someone's credit card number, made restitution and did your 'time' (whatever that may be), from back when you were 18 and had an overzealous prosecutor trying to make a name for himself and you are now 43? Well, ok, let's see what you've done/not done since. Regardless, to me background check results are subjective and sometimes are dependant on what kind of vibe I got from you in my interview process.
Bottom line is, I'm not seeing an issue with any of the things you have mentioned. (ok, with the exception of the 2 months. That's ridiculous. I can have all my ducks in a row in less than 72 hours and make my decision final pending the outcome of the above mentioned checks even before then). Sounds like responsible hiring practices, looking for people that are responsible adults. Not large children with long legs.
Not quite sure why that makes the people doing the hiring idiots? I have certain criteria that needs to be met, and if you can't meet that criteria, why should I hire you? (not necessarily you specifically
As far as drug testing? Well, that's pretty damn simple. If you have drugs in your system, I will not hire you. Period. Don't really care if my Federal contracts dictate that or not. Liability associated with having someone on drugs on one of my projects, or in one of my vehicles, or even in my office is astounding.
Background check. Again, pretty simple. If you are a convicted felon due to...oh, I don't know, aggravated murder and you just got out of jail? You will not work for me. Now, if you have a felony for stealing someone's credit card number, made restitution and did your 'time' (whatever that may be), from back when you were 18 and had an overzealous prosecutor trying to make a name for himself and you are now 43? Well, ok, let's see what you've done/not done since. Regardless, to me background check results are subjective and sometimes are dependant on what kind of vibe I got from you in my interview process.
Bottom line is, I'm not seeing an issue with any of the things you have mentioned. (ok, with the exception of the 2 months. That's ridiculous. I can have all my ducks in a row in less than 72 hours and make my decision final pending the outcome of the above mentioned checks even before then). Sounds like responsible hiring practices, looking for people that are responsible adults. Not large children with long legs.
I've got no problem with background checks, and drug tests (in my area) are mandated. And I have tons of experience so this does't apply to me personally (now). But many stated job requirements are unreasonable. Take for example the requirement I used to see for 5 years experience for a structural welder. If it takes you 5 years to learn how to burn rods you are in the wrong line of work. Or the requirement that you must have overseas experience for a job overseas. Not only is this a catch-22, but I have worked on four continents, on the high seas, a couple of islands, and 7018s burn just the same in the Congo, Gabon, Brazil, or in some Louisiana swamp.
TheCADJockey
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Hey. Why so serious?
This place is meant to be a safe haven for people to vent about the turds they work with.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.
TheCADJockey
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The high salaried coworkers that up and leave as they please, usually after only a few hours of bull****ting with each other.
Wouldn't shock me a bit if writing job descriptions that all but make it certain that anyone who met them is overqualified (and the job doesn't pay enough for that candidate anyway) isn't deliberate... More along the lines of: "We know nobody probably has all these, so let's only attract the people who have the balls to apply anyway. They're probably ambitious enough to be worth their s**t."
agrazela
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That implies some kind of plan, or intelligence, in upper management. More likely it's one or the other of:
Levels of management 4, 5 and 6 layers removed from the actual work all have to micromanage their grubby little fingerprints onto the job description, even though they'll never, ever even meet the hiree. Or even know what the actual job is.
By law or policy we have to post the job opening publicly. But the job's already been promised to the boss' boss' nephew, so we made the posting impossible to hire from.
Rhumbline
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That's always been my approach to applying for jobs.
I ignore the ridiculous requirements, what are they going to do, not hire me?
You can't blame them, if they can get an MBA for the price of a Secratary, why not?
The worst are HR types with no practical experience but lots of theories. With questions like "where do you see yourself in five years?" That may be an appropriate question if you are seeking an ambitious mid-level executive, less appropriate when hiring someone for a basically dead-end (albeit well compensated) blue collar job.
Fair enough, and Kee brings up a valid point of the catch-22. Also a very true statement about the beginner stuff, even my sorry butt can do a simple stick weld......well, used to be able to, anyway, might burn the garage down now.
My apologies. Hit me on a bad day when lack of qualified people being able to pass a simple freakin drug test and/or a background check has caused me multiple 16-18 hour days lately.
Back to the funny.
In my line of work, there are obvious "won't pass HR screening" requirements and some that are boilerplate filler and some that they want 3 out of 5.
Government contracts are notorious for this with my favorite being trifecta of:
4-year degree in engineering, finance or whatever (actual meaning...4 year degree we can spin to look like any of the above)
5-10 years experience in overly specific sub-field of what I do (actually means if you have a ever touched "x" and have 5-10 years total, we are good)
Active Secret Clearance, TS with SCII preferred (actually means if you had an active Secret in the last 6 years and you are what we want, we can float the rest...employment contingent on achieving the Secret clearance)
All of the above requirements appeared on a job description for a $110-125K contract job in the DC Metro area with no Per Diem or housing allowance.
I can pull that down in Huntsville, AL due to BRAC so either the relocation has caused a dearth of qualified campers that find themselves unemployed in DC due to BRAC and defense contractors are capitalizing on it or this company is truly clueless.
Stop trying to manipulate safety as means of getting your way. Had a guy today complain about the way a check round was laid out because it put people "dangerously close to an expansion tank". Um. No. It puts people no closer to them than any other part of the check round that is also in the vicinity of expansion tanks. What's more is, the only way to check anything, to do anything, on the platform is to be by the tank. He also complained about having to " lean hazardously over the hand rail". Nope. You have to look over the rail, and the rail is chest high. He's trying to exploit safety to get out of climbing up to the platform.
I once applied for a position at Baffin Land's Mary River iron mining site. They were looking for first year apprentice Oil Burning Mechanics (I'm a licensed Gas Fitter and OBM, unable to find work in that field), and was told I didn't have enough experience to be a first year apprentice.
passive aggressive snitches. we have a few of them that with tell on people through "innocent" conversation. they are also the same ones that could get more (or any) work done or quality of work done if they would stop watching what everyone else are doing. they also seem to be the ones that think they can make themselves look good by making someone else look bad. their favorite catch all phrase also seems to be said in an arrogant tone, "It's common sense." a/k/a "Geez, you're stupid for doing it that way." they also like to talk behind your back so you can't defend yourself. there's a small group of us that are very vocal about defending ourselves and our quality of work instead of bragging about our quantity. faster does not equal better. take some pride in your damn work. make sure parts are straight and finished parts are cleaned and all spatter is removed. don't build for "good enough", build for "that looks impressive". I want to slap some of these flocc faces in the mouth with my grandmas butthole.
TheCADJockey
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Yesterday
2pm -
Boss: I need you to change these three drawings for a customer. They placed an order so it is urgent.
Me: You got it.
220pm -
Me: Hey I think this is the wr...
(boss is nowhere to be found)
Today
8am -
Boss: Yo, uh so I gave you the wrong drawings. You have to change those ones back to the previous revision and then change these ones instead.
Me: Sure.
(from the next office)
Boss: Oh my god that restaurant was divine.
Boss: No all of it. The charcuterie... ugh. So good.
Boss: Beer. Wine.
Boss: Cheap! $250 meal for two.
2pm -
Boss: I need you to change these three drawings for a customer. They placed an order so it is urgent.
Me: You got it.
220pm -
Me: Hey I think this is the wr...
(boss is nowhere to be found)
Today
8am -
Boss: Yo, uh so I gave you the wrong drawings. You have to change those ones back to the previous revision and then change these ones instead.
Me: Sure.
(from the next office)
Boss: Oh my god that restaurant was divine.
Boss: No all of it. The charcuterie... ugh. So good.
Boss: Beer. Wine.
Boss: Cheap! $250 meal for two.
TheCADJockey
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Our machine shop takes a lot of pride in their work, production/assembly is full of kids though and they have this mentality. On Fridays, now and then, we (engineering) go out for a few beers on lunch. Never fails, one lady from assembly always comes in to pick up her platter of fried goodies and sees us drinking then immediately runs to the chief engineer when she gets back to turn us in.
He just nods and sends her away. Worry about your own work, and I don't know.. maybe put on that ESD wriststrap once in a while?
TheCADJockey
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Ok, so its really not that bad here, just a tough couple of days and my frustration is mounting as I get closer to my 2 year review.
Every so often there is an odd smell that leaks into the engineering bay, it does smell like sewage, but its very faint.
Whenever it happens, everyone freaks out, starts bitching, threatening to go home early...
Then they all light scented candles to mask it and the entire bay becomes unbearable.
Its harder to breathe in here right now than it is in Yankee Candle stores.
Every so often there is an odd smell that leaks into the engineering bay, it does smell like sewage, but its very faint.
Whenever it happens, everyone freaks out, starts bitching, threatening to go home early...
Then they all light scented candles to mask it and the entire bay becomes unbearable.
Its harder to breathe in here right now than it is in Yankee Candle stores.
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Well if it is sewage with any methane, you wont have to worry about it long...
Haha, I was thinking the same thing! It smells like gas so naturally we will light a flame... Boom
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
Ask facilities to bleach bomb the restroom floor drains.
I'd tell you to ask me how I know but you know how I know. You know?
TheCADJockey
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Oh. I know.
I gave up trying to help them.
Despite my complaints here, I do rather enjoy their agony over a little fart smell.
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
TheCADJockey
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Haha, I grew up on a farm and have had a lot... lot of dirty jobs growing up. The little fart stink doesn't bother me. Its all the chemical laden wax blocks they lite up.
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
Same here. 100+ pigs, 500+ chickens, and 75 head of cattle. I only had to clean up after the pigs.
TheCADJockey
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Pigs were the worst. Ours was just a family farm. One to two animals at a time. Always chickens though. Free, fresh eggs all my life. Wouldn't trade it ever.
Mmmmm. Araucana eggs. Never had any birds, but knew folks to get eggs from.
Hoppity
Just brew it!
My cousin lives in my grandfather's old farmhouse in Minneota, Minnesota. A turkey farm upwind is a major annoyance for noise and smell. I remember visiting the old family farm as a kid. Stagnant August air created many olfactory challenges. They raised Cattle, Pigs and Chicken. The Chicken Coop was a dusty affair, the Cattle pen was mucky and smelly, but the Pigpen was ripest of all.
The Corn fields were cool, though. Riding Horses through them was a trip.
The Corn fields were cool, though. Riding Horses through them was a trip.
My boss hinted today that he is going to be mixing things up at the office. Turns out that means he wants to punish me for being competent by changing my schedule from days to evenings. How the hell am I supposed to have a social life of he does this? After my vacation I am going into job hunting mode with a vengeance
I'm looking for somebody who can help me throw freight around for 20 minutes a day. You can get paid 4 hours daily. You'll get paid less than $20 per hour.
Also, cheap flights!
Is there a don't ask why the boxes make that noise policy there?
You can ask all the questions you want, just don't look inside.
Also, you'll be living in an area that wont allow you to survive on $20/hr at 4 hours a day.
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
1977Brewer
Free Dan Hess.
Stop drinking soda. Drink literally anything else, including beer.
$400 a month pays for my car and my cigs. Done.
