Your arguments against me are getting more and more ridiculous. Do you even read my posts or just randomly quote them. You have misinterpreted everything I have said.
Yes, I have.. I'm only responding to what you actually said, not whatever it was you might have 'meant'..
Cable broke the jaw of an assistant while he was the Raiders coach. Everyone in that locker room said so. Fire him there. His contract will not get renewed because 8-8 is not good enough for Davis even though they are showing progress. He appears to me to be leading the team in the right direction, just as Kiffin was doing, but it is not quick enough for Davis.
What do you know about that incident... If what has been said about the incident by those who were there is true, then the guy deserved his jaw broken.. I do know that when that happened, he instantly won the hearts of the team and the rest of the coaching staff.. as the guy whose jaw was broken was a whining, back stabbing, snitch, who was undermining everything that Cable was trying to do.. The players hated him, and the coaches hated him.. But he was a kiss ass to Davis.. and that's the only reason he was still employed... Once the 'incident' happened, you notice that they moved 'him' away from the team, and not anyone else?
I dunno, if I was Cable, and someone was undermining me and trying to get me fired, I might just haul off and break his jaw too (or worse)... Football is a mans game, and whiney little punks playing office politics, will generally be dealt with a bit differently than the same situation in a white collar company full of girly men and gossipy women.. Case in point...
I never said you used stats, I said you asked for facts which is what they are. I used stats to prove my point.
And I didn't say you said I used stats.. you said I asked for them...
from post #36 you said
Stats are quantifiable facts... that's what you asked for. So, I gave it to you. I do agree stats are overrated but they also serve as a way to judge performance. They certainly do more to prove my point than you claiming your opinion as fact.
You are correct that getting 4 rookies to start is incredibly difficult to do but you have to remember that every situation is different. The higher the quality of competition the less likely it is that you will draft 4 guys able to start as rookies. Just because Sam Bradford starts his rookie season in St. Louis doesn't mean he starts for every team in the NFL.
Now you're spinning and back pedaling...
If I can't listen to the talking heads and use them in my argument then quite telling me when they say good things about the Raiders. If I can't use stats in my argument then quite using them to support your arguments. The truth is the only facts that you accept are the one's in your head.
trouble is, that you are repeating crap that has been said over and over for 'decades'.. And yet Davis keeps putting winning teams on the field.. decade in, and decade out.. Every time he is accused of running the raiders into the ground, He puts another great team together, and then the same talking heads, give the 'coaches' the credit.. But only give Davis the credit for the failures... THAT is the point I've been trying to drive home to from the get go...
For instance, yeah, we've had 7 years for losing... Davis keeps rolling the dice and seeing if lucky seven comes up... But it was only 2002 when the raiders put together a team that played in the big dance... So should I talk shyt about the Vikings management and how senile and incompetent they are because they haven't been to the big dance in 33 years? Almost five times as long?
Don't talk to me about what my generation does.
Who gave you the authority to demand what another can or can not talk about?
and you argue like an insolent spoiled know it all brat.. So what's your point?
"I'm right and you're wrong."
When it comes to your assertions about Al Davis and the Raiders, this is fact.. Sorry that pisses you off, but that is what it is.. I'm not the one who opened my pie hole about things I did not know about.. that was you...
Unless you have lied about your age, this too is fact.. Sorry again, if that pisses you off, but it is what it is..
I 'never' said that.. I said I know more about the Raiders than you.. This too seems to piss you off.. I'm not sure why, but it only makes sense that someone who has been a Raiders football junkie for longer than you are alive, would know more than someone who doesn't even casually follow the team for a much shorter period... You seem to have some sort of deep seated insecurity about this, that I could possibly call you out on your erronious accusations when you yourself even admitted you haven't followed the team closely nor even watched any of their games this year..
"You're picking on me because I disagree."
I never said or implied any such thing.. And you say it is 'I' who argues like a baby? LOL
There is no doubt in my mind that you have every right to be proud of the direction of your team and your draft class.
yet you sure seemed to get upset when I defended them... The way I see it, you threw out some BS, tired ole rhetoric that has been around longer than you have watched the game, got called out on th carpet for it, and instead of just manning up and admitting that your mouth over rode your ass on a subject you really didn't know that much about, you got pissy and started trying to defend yourself..
I have every right to doubt whether or not any of it will come to fruition, whether you agree or not.
That's fine, but when someone calls you on the carpet because you're full of it, don't get all pissy... Just admit you were wrong and move on.. It's really not that hard.. I do it all the time...
If only a Raiders fan is allowed to talk to you about your team then don't come into this thread, go to a Raiders forum where you can all talk about how great of an 8-8 team they are. And then you can discuss how your once proud franchise hasn't had a winning season in 8 years. But I'm not a Raiders fan so I guess I can't bring that up (not to mention won-loss record might constitute a stat).
Dude.. what in the world are you talking about.. where did I ever say you are or not allowed to talk about something?... I just said you are full of crap and you don't know what you're talking about.. I never told you to shut up.. If you want to open you mouth and spew a bunch of inaccurate crap on a subject you admitted you know little about.. be my guest... who am I to stand in the way of your attempts to embarrass yourself?
Go for it, for all I care..
I did not watch the Raiders play yesterday. I was too busy watching my Vikings end a very disappointing and miserable season. Maybe they'll trade all their draft picks for some over the hill has been this off season. I can only hope. Speaking of the Vikings, I was not alive in 76 to watch the Raiders win the super bowl. I'm sorry I did not see it and therefore I cannot be angry at the Raiders for anything. Maybe dad is angry about the "beatdown." Although I doubt it since he doesn't watch football.
whatever junior...
This will be last post regarding any of this.
your call..
All I did was disagree with a Raider fan who was overzealous about his team.
That is called 'revisionist history'.. another thing your generation is programmed to do...
The 'truth' is that you spewed some BS, and I corrected you, and you got pissy about it...
I'm not a hater, I couldn't care less about them, and I have not repeated rhetoric from some tv blow hard.
point 1.. not a hater.. I do not know you.. all I can do is go by the things you typed.. which were symptomatic of a 'hater'...
point 2.. about caring about the raiders.. no sweat off my back either way..
point 3 about repeating rhetoric of TV blowhards,, This is a lie.. that is exactly what you did...
I have just voiced my opinion from my 25 years of watching them rise and fall which I believe I am allowed to do. r8rphan good luck with your team. As Cubs fans love to say, "there is always next year."
If you have spent so much time watching them, how is it you know so little about them.. This is the first 'evidence' you've given that you might indeed be an 'idiot'.. For to watch a team for 25 years and know almost nothing about them, speaks directly to your ability to gather, process, retain and analyze information...
