American IPA The New West Coast IPA

[Dgallo]

I haven’t seen much about hop hash. I just put in a decent sized order at yvh and they threw in 4 oz of mosaic hop hash. Was considering using it along with 4 oz t90 mosaic on a west coast mosaic ipa I have coming up. Does anyone have experience with it?

It’s great. Sometimes it’s very hard and compact. Like a brick. When it s like that I’ve used it in whirlpool. If it’s soft or soft enough I can run it through the food processor I’ll mix it in with my pellets and dryhop. Definitely a more resinous character

 

[BongoYodeler]

It’s great. Sometimes it’s very hard and compact. Like a brick. When it s like that I’ve used it in whirlpool. If it’s soft or soft enough I can run it through the food processor I’ll mix it in with my pellets and dryhop. Definitely a more resinous character

Kind of like the real thing.

 

[Dgallo]

Kind of like the real thing.

Hahaa i mean i might give a whirlpool when its like a brick but im always avoiding a food processor hard or soft lol

 

[elproducto]

Pretty impressive, only 24 hours with Biofine and this is a 34/70 beer which is notoriously slow to clear.

Recipe was West Coast IPA Is Dead, but used Mosaic Simcoe Citra. Also first time acidifying post boil. I think it made a difference.

 

[TwitchellBrew]

It’s great. Sometimes it’s very hard and compact. Like a brick. When it s like that I’ve used it in whirlpool. If it’s soft or soft enough I can run it through the food processor I’ll mix it in with my pellets and dryhop. Definitely a more resinous character

“More resinous” is what I’d love in this beer so I’ll definitely give it a go. I’ve read alpha cannot really be determined. I assume you’d use a low temp whirlpool like 160 when using this? Thanks for the intel!

 

[elproducto]

Wow, 48 hours after Biofine.
10ml in 5 gallons.

Crystal clear.

 

[Dgallo]

Wow, 48 hours after Biofine.
10ml in 5 gallons.

Crystal clear.
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Better than gelatin, right? Lol

 

[DrGMG]

What's the consensus regarding biofine or gelatin trapping hop compounds and changing the beer's flavor?

 

[Broothru]

What's the consensus regarding biofine or gelatin trapping hop compounds and changing the beer's flavor?

Too much of either is not a good thing, but generally speaking my opinion is that Biofine or Silica Fine (both silicon dioxide) are ‘gentler’ and clears better than gelatin. Use less, wait a few days longer with either one. It’ll settle out with time and temperature. Use more and consume sooner but risk possible stripping of flavor/body, but I’ve noticed little degradation when using moderate amounts of Biofine.

Moderation in everything, including moderation.

 

[mjc999]

What's the consensus regarding biofine or gelatin trapping hop compounds and changing the beer's flavor?

https://brulosophy.com/2015/01/05/the-gelatin-effect-exbeeriment-results/

 

[Dgallo]

https://brulosophy.com/2015/01/05/the-gelatin-effect-exbeeriment-results/

I mean I wouldn’t use this as evidence, it would just serve as one data point. we don’t know the panel, we don’t know what’s their experience is with drinking hoppy beers and how well they are able to distinguish differences in the first place. also it’s like a 2.5 oz dryhop and 5-6 oz total hop load for the beer.

We know fining agents bind to proteins, polyphenols and yeast. We know all 3 have a molecular attraction to hop compounds. So it will drop out some. The bigger question is to what extend.

In my experience it does limit the character to some extent especially if you are only focusing on dryhoping, as it seems to have a bigger impact on coldside hops. Not to a great extent but I’ve brewed beers that I thought would be clear in the keg without finings, have poured them and then decided to fine while in the keg and I could notice a difference in intensity. Not extreme but to an extent. Since then I’ve made sure I’ve gone higher on my whirlpool additions to compensate as the hotside character seems to hang around even after fining

I guess in my long winded response what I’m trying to say is I strongly feels it will drop out some compound but with adjustments to your process and recipe it will be marginal and worth it for a bright beer

 

[elproducto]

Better than gelatin, right? Lol

Totally, and so much easier to use! Consider me converted.

 

[anteater8]

Anyone have a recipe they could share that's a really great example of the style? I know there's probably a ton on here, but I haven't totally kept up on the thread. I tend to like examples with a little bit of classic citrus/pine and a little bit of more modern tropical fruit.

 

[ihavenonickname]

yeah! OP is super solid still. And I’ll just rattle off a top of my head recipe that will certainly make a great beer.
All Pilsner malt to 1.060. Bittering addition 20-40 IBUS depending how much you like bitterness. Whirpool with 1 oz per gallon. Ferment with any solid Chico yeast. Dry hop with 1.5 oz per gallon. Use citra and simcoe and you’ll get those flavors. Then iterate from there

 

[elproducto]

I will say, I really like the West Coast IPA is Dead clone, but it's all whirlpool and dry hop. I feel like it's missing some of that middle hop character, so I think I"m going to add in some late boil, i.e. 15-5min. additions to round that out.

 

[Dgallo]

Just dryhoped my latest. Went with a 1:1:1 ratio of Columbus, Freestyle Motueka, & Nectaron. Beer recap below;

Grain bill:
75% - 2row
15% - Vienna
6% - Carahell
4% - dextrose
OG: 1.077
FG: 1.012
Abv: 8.6%
IBU: 83

Boil hops:
Columbus

Whirlpool:
1:1 Columbus / Freestyle Motueka

 

[Ulisses4677]

Just dryhoped my latest. Went with a 1:1:1 ratio of Columbus, Freestyle Motueka, & Nectaron. Beer recap below;

Grain bill:
75% - 2row
15% - Vienna
6% - Carahell
4% - dextrose
OG: 1.077
FG: 1.012
Abv: 8.6%
IBU: 83

Boil hops:
Columbus

Whirlpool:
1:1 Columbus / Freestyle Motueka

I think this is a traditional ipa with some modern hops.

 

[Dgallo]

I think this is a traditional ipa with some modern hops.

Yeah this is a competition beer, So the grainbill has some Vienna for character.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Yeah this is a competition beer. So grainbill has some Vienna for character.

Good luck

 

[Dgallo]

I think this is a traditional ipa with some modern hops.

And in equal argument, you could say that a modern west coast ipa is a traditional ipa without character malt lol

 

[Ulisses4677]

And in equal argument, you could say that a modern west coast ipa is a traditional ipa without character malt lol

You’re right. New west coast has migrated to colder fermentation as well.

 

[ihavenonickname]

I’ll keep it modern and hip, unlike old guy @Dgallo! Haha jk dude but someone gotta keep you accountable for all that malt character.

90% weyerman pils, 10% flaked wheat. 1.061 -> 1.010 bry-97

40 IBUS Columbus, WP eclipse, mosaic.
split for DH.
#1 eclipse spectrum, Nelson t90, nectaron terps. Sweet tropical fruit, green taffy, cantaloupe.
#2 mosaic spectrum, mosaic t90, mosaic terps. Overripe, dank, almost has a salty BO thing. I actually like this one a little more.

these beers dropped crystal clear after 3 weeks and then the terps add back some haze, I’m just adding a drop at serving. The hop presence is intense, super potent, the hop burps are next level. I’ll use terps more in the future.

 

[Fergal]

I've got some terps burning a hole in my pocket! Definitely planning a west coast with some.

 

[Bassman2003]

Terps and burps! I have yet to try these but looks like another tool for success.

 

[Dgallo]

I’ll keep it modern and hip, unlike old guy @Dgallo! Haha jk dude but someone gotta keep you accountable for all that malt character.

90% weyerman pils, 10% flaked wheat. 1.061 -> 1.010 bry-97



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then you go put 10% flaked wheat in a wc ipa, a high protein character malt…lol

Not that I’m old (only 35) but I’ve been brewing now for 10 years and I do honestly think most new brewers have no idea what Munich, Vienna, biscuit, victory, ETC taste like and how to use them. They are in this new narrative that these malts are only for dark or amber beers and negative for pale ales.

I’m pretty certain that most trying this beer won’t mention anything about the malt but they will think the beers is well rounded and very hoppy. The Vienna should fill any missing flavor gaps in the middle of the sip

 

[Dgallo]

Just dryhoped my latest. Went with a 1:1:1 ratio of Columbus, Freestyle Motueka, & Nectaron. Beer recap below;

Grain bill:
75% - 2row
15% - Vienna
6% - Carahell
4% - dextrose
OG: 1.077
FG: 1.012
Abv: 8.6%
IBU: 83

Boil hops:
Columbus

Whirlpool:
1:1 Columbus / Freestyle Motueka

first pour of this beer. Really excited about this combo, it works really well with dank cannabis, bright lime, peachie citrus, and some diesel. For anyone that doubts biofine, second picture is of the beer in the fv this past Monday 1/27

 

[fluketamer]

View attachment 867740I've got some terps burning a hole in my pocket! Definitely planning a west coast with some.

i havent had good luck with my terpenes. they all taste and smell like pine more than anything else to me. i have had much better luck with traditional dry hopping. i thought i read somewhere that you can freeze them but dont do that they seperate. and wont reemulsify.

 

[Dgallo]

i havent had good luck with my terpenes. they all taste and smell like pine more than anything else to me. i have had much better luck with traditional dry hopping. i thought i read somewhere that you can freeze them but dont do that they seperate. and wont reemulsify.

You’ve had better luck with traditional dryhoping to get a beer to taste like cannabis verses using cannabis terpenoid?

What hop combos are you using to achieve these. I target danky/cannabis IPAs a lot with hops and can never get it to taste like it without terpenes

 

[TwitchellBrew]

first pour of this beer. Really excited about this combo, it works really well with dank cannabis, bright lime, peachie citrus, and some diesel. For anyone that doubts biofine, second picture is of the beer in the fv this past Monday 1/27View attachment 868038View attachment 868039

I’d imagine this combo would be killer. I love Nelson in a west coast style and I find Motueka presents well in literally anything I’ve tried it in. I’ve used it in saison, NZ Pilsner, cream ale, pales, west coast, hazy…. It’s works great at low hop levels and high levels. And it can be a single hop or plays well with others. (Can you tell I’m a Motueka fan boy?)

 

[Shenanigans]

I’d imagine this combo would be killer. I love Nelson in a west coast style and I find Motueka presents well in literally anything I’ve tried it in. I’ve used it in saison, NZ Pilsner, cream ale, pales, west coast, hazy…. It’s works great at low hop levels and high levels. And it can be a single hop or plays well with others. (Can you tell I’m a Motueka fan boy?)

good stuff I have 500g of Motuka inthe freezer