The [Horribly Unpopular] Soccer Thread

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Higuin should be a good fit there. I think they thought they'd get something more out of Giroud and Podolski. Really without Santi they'd be in deep crap.

 

[hopstupid]

besides an observation of the last january transfer window, where have you been the past 10 years?

Mata 23m
Hazard 32m
Torres 50m

There are about 10 others I can think of that were 20m+

Here are the transfer expenditures / revenues over the last 10 years.
I'd say ManU have blown Chelsea and city out of the water when it comes to bang for the buck.

BTW, Ba is worth about 7m, and thats being generous.

Man U has spent over 500 million to service their debt.

I think the bankers are getting the most bang for their buck actually, at the expense of all the Manchester United fans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/dav...og/2012/feb/22/manchester-united-glazers-debt

172.64 + 500= 672.64

looks like Manchester United is leading Chelsea & Man City. I wonder how many quality players 500 million can buy?

 

[Grannyknot]

Using revenues to pay down an owners previously held debt has nothing to do with the cash "investments" Chelsea & City have received from their owners.

The chart I posted was specifically related to transfer spending/receiving, which is primarily where cash infusions are spent. It has nothing to due with club budgets and balance sheets, as you refer to. Using your logic, if Roman Abromovich & Chelsea had won the bid for the battlesea power station, their spending would have been 1 billion, rather that 500m.

 

[hopstupid]

While Chelsea & man city owners are infusing their clubs with cash Man U owners are draining their club of cash.

How many quality players could Man U of signed with that 500 million payed out to the bankers?

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Man U is a greatly ran club. Hating on them is like hating on say the Pats or any other team who wins all the time regardless of how much they spend.

 

[HoppyDaze]

Man U is a greatly ran club

Punch yourself in face for typing that. Not on the cheek or forehead but on the nose or eye. Also, don't fall down flopping around trying to get a free kick like ****** soccer players do. You deserve it...

"Greatly run club"?

I can't tell if your talking elvish or just trying to put a eurotrash spin on the verbiage to sound "soccer" cool. Hopefully your just drunk.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

I didn't say greatly run. FWIW.

Man U builds a young squad that competes year in and year out. They constantly find bargains as well. Don't get sucked into bidding wars and get a great player. Refused to get over sold on Lucas Moara (sp?) and instead got Kagawa who's fantastic

 

[HoppyDaze]

I didn't say greatly run. FWIW.

It's worth ****. Same point

At least throw some MLS into the discussion. Popularity of soccer in the states will drive international revenue/respect and incentive for the elite players and coaches jump aboard. I'm trying to like the game the fans don't seem to allow it

 

[FlyDoctor]

Beckman....out!!

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Popularity doesn't have to just hang on MLS. In fact I think more important to the further development of America Soccer has already started under Klinsmann bringing a more German attitude to the younger levels which will result in better players come up. MLS with their academies will bring up hot young talent, even if they're poached by Europe it will lead to a pipeline, eventually when the interest in MLS grows cause of these exciting young players they can retain those players. You won't have to see Brek Shea go elsewhere.

Personally I think every American should go to Europe if they can get into a major league. It's better competition over there and better competition sets you up better for the future.

 

[hopstupid]

I didn't say greatly run. FWIW.

Man U builds a young squad that competes year in and year out. They constantly find bargains as well. Don't get sucked into bidding wars and get a great player. Refused to get over sold on Lucas Moara (sp?) and instead got Kagawa who's fantastic

Man U pays more on interest payments then player transfers.

It's the Man U fans that are hating not me. Feel sort of sorry for them.

United fans fume over Glazer plan to sell stake on New York Stock Exchange... and keep half the money for themselves

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...w-York-Stock-Exchange-plan.html#ixzz2TTSlJ3JZ


While the Glazers have sucked out over 500 million how many European trophies have Man U won?

Man U is a greatly ran club. Hating on them is like hating on say the Pats or any other team who wins all the time regardless of how much they spend.

People hate on the Patriots because they are cheaters, not because the owners are sucking the team dry of cash. I don't think Manchester United have ever been caught cheating like that.

0 super bowl wins without cheating. I think that sort of bothers belichick.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Klinsmann announces an interesting roster

GOALKEEPERS (6): Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tally Hall (Houston Dynamo), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

DEFENDERS (8): DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Edgar Castillo (Club Tijuana), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Parkhurst (Augsburg)

MIDFIELDERS (10): Michael Bradley (Roma), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo), Maurice Edu (Bursaspor), Stuart Holden (Bolton), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Brek Shea (Stoke City), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)

FORWARDS (5): Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Herculez Gomez (Santos), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders FC)


6 Goalies is insane but I'm sure there's a reason for it (maybe to get more practice taking shots for forwards, or just to get a look at the next wave) since I'm sure only Howard and Guzan will make the final roster maybe with a 3rd for emergencies

Defenders aren't really shocking except the Mayor isn't there, I guess he's not 100% yet or Hoffenheim didn't let him out or something.

Midfielders and Forwards are what I expect.

So I'm guessing though it's really hard to figure out the starting 11 is probably

RB - Cameron
CB - Castillo
CB - Besler/Goodson
LB - Johnson

really the only lock is Johnson. I could see Beasley at RB which then would mean Cameron is probably starting in the middle. But I like Castillo/Goodson in the middle or Castillo/Besler. I think I'd go with my lineup which basically gives Johnson free reign to move forward. And if we need a goal we can jsut have the 3 CBs play back and Johnson play kind of a sweeper position in front of them and support the offense.

I'm hoping Holden is Healthy cause then my dream midfield could happen

RM - Holden
CM - Jones
CM - Bradley
LM - Shea

But I'm guessing Holden isn't quite there and will be used off the bench mainly, and Gomez or Johnson will start LM and Zusi at RM. I

Obviously up top it's Dempsey and Altidore. That's a given.

 

[Reno_eNVy]

In order to reduce MLS matches missed, the four goalkeepers from the domestic league will be rotated in and out of camp. Interestingly, Tally Hall will be available for the WCQ in Jamaica.

 

[aygov]

And The Arsenal prevail! Enjoy the Europa League spurs!

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Spurs missed some matches they should have won early on. And 100% for sure Bale going down was the nail in the coffin.

 

[Grannyknot]

And The Arsenal prevail! Enjoy the Europa League spurs!

Indeed.

So when Madrid buys Bale, where do Spurs fall in the table? 10th?

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Indeed.

So when Madrid buys Bale, where do Spurs fall in the table? 10th?

The buying Bale saga is interesting. I can't see a perfect fit at any big club. Except Man U.

Madrid has too many wingers and forwards, City has too many wingers and forwards, he doesn't fit Barca's system, Chelsea has Mata who I don't think they'd kick him to the curb for Bale, Bayern also has too many. Maybe Dortmund could use their Gotze selling money for Bale?

I think Bale is around for another year and if Tottenham still aren't in the CL then maybe he leaves after, but really who knows.

 

[hopstupid]

It's crazy how arsenal pulls off champions league every year. Arsenal are lucky to have Wenger is amazing the results he gets for the money spent in the transfer market.

Love when Arsenal fans say they need a new manager

 

[russrob81]

Ny Yankees and man city to form an mls franchise. Interesting to see how that works out

 

[Reno_eNVy]

Ny Yankees and man city to form an mls franchise. Interesting to see how that works out

I was just about to post that. Official name: New York City FC. They're expected to begin play in 2015. No stadium yet but they're still working on Flushing Meadows Corona Park.

 

[hopstupid]

Great day for the MLS and Man City

sing along

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Ny Yankees and man city to form an mls franchise. Interesting to see how that works out

Pretty Crazy. I bet they'll be trying to work their way around the cap stuff for MLS if it involves Abu Dhabi and Steinbrenners, they will likely be willing to pay to bring in high price talent to sell tickets.

 

[Catfish78]

Bit of a boring first half but the keepers showed they are ready for this final.

 

[Catfish78]

And a decent 2nd half. Robben is such a dick though.

 

[hopstupid]

And a decent 2nd half. Robben is such a dick though.

lot of diving

I thought Germans didn't dive

 

[russrob81]

Neymar sweepstakes over going to Barca. Messi/Neymar up front? My head hurts just thinking about that

 

[Catfish78]

lot of diving

I thought Germans didn't dive

Robben isn't German, he's Dutch. Dives almost as bad and often as Ribery.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Neymar sweepstakes over going to Barca. Messi/Neymar up front? My head hurts just thinking about that

Will be interesting to watch. Sometimes there isn't enough balls on the field to satisfy those 2 types of creative players. Will Neymar be content that he won't be running the show? Will Messi be happy when Neymar takes a bad shot instead of passing? All important questions. I doubt it will be an issue, Barca doesn't typically just sign players like Real.

Bayern wins Bundesliga and UCL, and they'll be adding Pep and Gotze in the offseason? That's pretty crazy. I'm guessing Robben will be gone, likely to a squad like City. And I've heard rumors of Lewandowski in and Gomez out, but Bayern looks strong for next season. JMO they need a CB though. At least for depth purposes.

 

[hopstupid]

Robben isn't German, he's Dutch. Dives almost as bad and often as Ribery.

I was talking about Müller

 

[FlyDoctor]

I thought it was a great match. Energy and fight from Dortmund in the face of Munich domination. Robben is a bit of a tool - but he is effing good. I agree about the diving- between Ribery and Boateng there was always a Bayern on the turf.

Exciting game