The [Horribly Unpopular] Soccer Thread

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Soccer and beer in the same forum.....AWESOME!!!

We call it Bocker.

 

[user 107007]

So just thinking out loud:

Mourinho goes to Man U.

Moyes to Chelsea?

Rafa stays?

Abramovich pitches a fit and finds someone from left field? Heyncke from Bayern?

Next season will be interesting to watch at the very least.

 

[aygov]

Moyes is SAF's successor:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22453802

Should be an interesting time for United. Will Moyes be good enough? Say what you will about what he did at Everton, but the pressure at United will be in a whole other galaxy.

 

[Grannyknot]

Moyes is SAF's successor:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22453802

Should be an interesting time for United. Will Moyes be good enough? Say what you will about what he did at Everton, but the pressure at United will be in a whole other galaxy.

It will be interesting to see what he does with the seemingly endless transfer funds that will be made available.

 

[aygov]

It will be interesting to see what he does with the seemingly endless transfer funds that will be made available.

Limitless transfer funds do not a great team make (see citeh and Chelsea). Look at how Rafa hasn't been able to turn Chelsea around (relatively speaking) and Mancini's last hope for silverware is the FA cup...

 

[Grannyknot]

Limitless transfer funds do not a great team make ........

Aygov, are you part Yoda?

Not saying he can make a great team buying players.
I'm just curious what type of players he goes after.

 

[aygov]

Aygov, are you part Yoda?

Not saying he can make a great team buying players.
I'm just curious what type of players he goes after.

Wise you are.... hmmmmmm....

I'm interested in that too. He's been surviving on scraps at Everton but will he spend wisely when he gets the blank check at United?

Also, I bet Rooney is off during the summer. RVP is certainly first choice and there will be no fergie there to twist his ear and make him stay.

 

[hopstupid]

Limitless transfer funds do not a great team make (see citeh and Chelsea). Look at how Rafa hasn't been able to turn Chelsea around (relatively speaking) and Mancini's last hope for silverware is the FA cup...

rafa signed ba for 7 million that's it

That's limitless transfer funds?

 

[aygov]

rafa signed ba for 7 million

That's limitless transfer funds?

And Mata was 35 mill.....

I know he wasn't Rafa's transfer, but he hasn't been there long enough to get to the summer window.

12/13 they spent 95 mill on players... You can say that's not limitless, but it's close enough.

 

[hopstupid]

And Mata was 35 mill.....

I know he wasn't Rafa's transfer, but he hasn't been there long enough to get to the summer window.

12/13 they spent 95 mill on players... You can say that's not limitless, but it's close enough.

mata was a steal at 35 million without him they would be alot worse

if you want to talk about bad signings torres, teams that blew money on nothing QPR & Liverpool

Chelsea & Man City get quite a bit of bang for what they spent.


You do know

Chelsea won the FA cup & Uefa champions league last year.

Man City won the Premier league last year.

How many trophies did Man United win last year?

 

[aygov]

mata was a steal at 35 million without him they would be alot worse

if you want to talk about bad signings torres, teams that blew money on nothing QPR & Liverpool

Chelsea & Man City get quite a bit of bang for what they spent.


You do know

Chelsea won the FA cup & Uefa champions league last year.

Man City won the Premier league last year

I'm not talking about bad signings. I'm talking about the fact that Chelsea are owned by a billionaire who, depending on whether he is inclined, can furnish them with massive amounts of cash to buy players.

And yes, they both won stuff last year, but do you honestly think the goal of either of those clubs is to win stuff some of the time. Spending 95 million and then fighting with Arsenal and Spurs for a CL place isn't exactly a good year....

 

[hopstupid]

I'm not talking about bad signings. I'm talking about the fact that Chelsea are owned by a billionaire who, depending on whether he is inclined, can furnish them with massive amounts of cash to buy players.

And yes, they both won stuff last year, but do you honestly think the goal of either of those clubs is to win stuff some of the time. Spending 95 million and then fighting with Arsenal and Spurs for a CL place isn't exactly a good year....

If Man City wins the FA cup both Man City & Chelsea will have more trophies then Man United these past 3 years. I think that's the owners goal is to win trophies so far they have done it.

 

[BrewKnurd]

So what are the odds that Jose Mourinho doesn't join Man U? He's planning on leaving Bernabeu only other suitor mentioned is returning to Chelsea, but unless all he cares about is money, I can't imagine he'd pass up Man U who are a much better squad and could be in the UCL mix next year. I'd imagine him leaving Real is an indicator he's not all about the money. I have a hunch (though I may be entirely wrong) that Sir Alex and Mourinho have been talking in private about Fergie retiring and Mourinho taking over. Coudl be wrong of course. Only other guy I see United taking would be Moyes, but I don't know if his style meshes with Man U.

Easy to say this now that the replacement has been announced, but there were 3 reason why Mourinho to Man U never made sense to me.

1) Chelsea would throw more money at him
2) Mourinho is apparently big into being loved these days, and has dropped enough hints that Chelsea is the place that loves him
3) Man U is obviously used to stability in the managers role. I have the impression, although I could be totally wrong, that this is something they would like to continue. And Mourinho is the opposite of stability.

On 3, its quite possible that the only reason they've had such stability is that they've had Sir Alex, and he hasn't given them any reason to consider changing any time in recent memory. So perhaps the stability has been more a commentary on their success than a reflection of a philosophy, in which case 3 would be totally moot.

 

[aygov]

If Man City wins the FA cup both Man City & Chelsea will have more trophies then Man United these past 3 years. I think that's the owners goal is to win trophies so far they have done it.

What are we debating about here again?

You've gone from Chelsea don't have tons of money to City and Chelsea have more trophies than United in the last 3 years...

 

[Grannyknot]

rafa signed ba for 7 million that's it

That's limitless transfer funds?

besides an observation of the last january transfer window, where have you been the past 10 years?

Mata 23m
Hazard 32m
Torres 50m

There are about 10 others I can think of that were 20m+

Here are the transfer expenditures / revenues over the last 10 years.
I'd say ManU have blown Chelsea and city out of the water when it comes to bang for the buck.

BTW, Ba is worth about 7m, and thats being generous.

 

[aygov]

Since we're throwing City into this since the sheikh took over in 2008 they have spent over 300 million on players. What have they got in those 4 years? 1 PL championship trophy and 1 (possibly 2 depending on the weekend) FA Cup trophy. With that kind of money domestic trophies should be a given and they should be running Europe.

 

[hopstupid]

What are we debating about here again?

You've gone from Chelsea don't have tons of money to City and Chelsea have more trophies than United in the last 3 years...

you said this

Limitless transfer funds do not a great team make (see citeh and Chelsea). Look at how Rafa hasn't been able to turn Chelsea around (relatively speaking) and Mancini's last hope for silverware is the FA cup...

I pointed out "citeh" & Chelsea have won more trophies then Man U lately. So I guess you could say all that money bought those trophies.

Never said Chelsea didn't have much money just pointed out Rafa spent 7 million on transfers.
I'm not a Chelsea fan but what they did last year was pretty great in my book.

Man U spent alot more then City this year and it turned out to be the difference. Van Persie was a great buy. I'm guessing city spends big this summer

 

[aygov]

you said this

I pointed out "citeh" & Chelsea have won more trophies then Man U lately. So I guess you could say all that money bought those trophies.

Never said Chelsea didn't have much money just pointed out Rafa spent 7 million on transfers.
I'm not a Chelsea fan but what they did last year was pretty great in my book.

Man U spent alot more then City this year and it turned out to be the difference. Van Persie was a great buy. I'm guessing city spends big this summer

I don't think I've ever argued against the fact that they won more trophies. If you think their net silverware haul over the last few years justifies the money they've laid out, well I would partially agree on Chelsea's part (sans this last season), but completely disagree on City. Over 300 million in a few years and they have MAYBE 3 pieces of silverware to show for it...

Originally you seemed to imply that since Rafa bought Demba Ba for the bargain basement price of 7 million that I was somehow wrong in calling Chelsea's money limitless. Limitless was hyperbolic, but you get my point. I was implying that the club has a lot of money. I'm not sure how one transfer proves that wrong, but if that's how you see it then I we'll have to agree to disagree.

Anywho, this debate has gone off on some weird tangent and I'm not inclined to carry it further. I got to catch a plane in a few hours anyways. Going to good 'ol London to see The Shrine (The Emirates) too bad Wigan screwed me out of seeing the Arse play live....

 

[russrob81]

So I guess gus Johnson is foxs answer to Brent musberger and bob costas types who gets on your nerves as much as possible and almost makes games unwatchable but somehow they're the ones that call the big games you want to watch. I think the networks just try to punish you for being interested in their offering

 

[hopstupid]

What a great win for wigan they deserved winning that trophy today.

 

[russrob81]

Congrats to the latics. Now lets see if they pull off another survival Sunday miracle to stay in the premiership

 

[hopstupid]

I don't know why Mancini didn't start Costel Pantilimon . You ride the horse that got you there.

What a difference a year makes.


Wigan FC first XI: £11.5million

Gareth Barry: £12 million

haha sad but true

 

[BrewKnurd]

I don't know why Mancini didn't start Costel Pantilimon . You ride the horse that got you there.

HA, Currently on Pantilimon's wiki page:

"Time showed though, that the hypocritical Mancini lied and started with Joe Hart as goalkeeper for the FA Cup Final."

 

[hopstupid]

HA, Currently on Pantilimon's wiki page:

"Time showed though, that the hypocritical Mancini lied and started with Joe Hart as goalkeeper for the FA Cup Final."

haha

 

[dwarven_stout]

Here are the transfer expenditures / revenues over the last 10 years.
I'd say ManU have blown Chelsea and city out of the water when it comes to bang for the buck.

Hi, Everton fan. I'd like to talk about this idea of "bang for buck".

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Dempsey

Nuff said

 

[hopstupid]

Nice to see sir alex go out with a win at home. Seems like half their wins this year were come from behind. Great day my team Norwich isn't getting relegated this year

 

[HoppyDaze]

A piece of sh!t on Chivas pushed a Timbers ball boy to get the ball from him. Classy move... Maybe he was pissed because Portland made them look like a highschool girls squad

 

[Punity]

Love the whoopin on SJ sounders laid down this weak. Starting to pull their S together

 

[Grannyknot]

Hearing that arsenal have agreed to a sale price with RM for Higuain. And Monaco have purchased Falcao for like €60m.