I would have to agree with theaug, I don't care for Guinness either. I have a Russian Imperial Stout that I brewed and like it, but it is a little bland. It has good flavor, just everything is blended that nothing stands out. Also have to agree about small craft brewers. We have a brew pub close by in Ames, Iowa called Olde Main that has an stout. It's one of the best beers I've had. It's an ale stout called the Sodbuster. I'm going to have to plan a roadtrip now that you've got me thinking about it. SWIMBO need a night out anyways for putting up with me and my hobbies.