Serve extremely cold

[janzik]

If any half elves wander in I declare /thread

Where's Gremlyn1 to turn this into a creepy DND (EDIT)orgy(/EDIT)

 

[cheezydemon3]

If I am a TROLL then HELL YES!!!!


Trolls rule.

Frankly, the goblins(that's how I will now refer to sub-trolls) that have no coherent argument and just yell "TROLL" (what is this, harry potter?) are worse than the people who answer without bothering to read the posts.

 

[billvon]

How would that detract from the quality or value?

Your original post seemed to be saying that it is "selling out" by recommending a beer be used (drank) at a different temperature than it is ordinarily intended, mainly to make money. I used an example of equipment being used in a different way than it was designed for, mainly to make money.

Why isn't that "selling out?" If you try to put a label on your product that suggests it be used in a different way than the ideal (or the standard) just to make money - aren't those cases similar?

You are drinking your own beer at the temp you want to. All I was saying is that Guinness have little pride in their product and are pandering.

So if I put a statement on my Terminator stout clone saying "brewed to be served cold" would I be pandering and selling out? Or would I just be telling people what I think?

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

So if I put a statement on my Terminator stout clone saying "brewed to be served cold" would I be pandering and selling out? Or would I just be telling people what I think?

You seriously think that Guinness gives a flying fook HOW people drink it as long as they get their cash? If you did that with your beer, you would be stating a personal preference. I don't believe that Guinness are doing the same.

I'm outa here anyway. This thread has ironically been trolled by an anti-troll brigade.

 

[TheMan]

Your original post seemed to be saying that it is "selling out" by recommending a beer be used (drank) at a different temperature than it is ordinarily intended, mainly to make money. I used an example of equipment being used in a different way than it was designed for, mainly to make money.

Why isn't that "selling out?" If you try to put a label on your product that suggests it be used in a different way than the ideal (or the standard) just to make money - aren't those cases similar?



So if I put a statement on my Terminator stout clone saying "brewed to be served cold" would I be pandering and selling out? Or would I just be telling people what I think?

Merriam Webster defines Sell Out as - to betray one's cause or associates especially for personal gain.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sell+out

You aren't betraying your cause by putting a recommended temp on your beer. You are simply Pandering.

 

[cheezydemon3]

OK. I hates panderers too. (now I'm a pirate troll)

Obviously I am not changing anyone's mind.......or am I?

Those who love to swill some ice cold stout love guinnesss, the ones who warm it up and still like it love it too. COOL.

But I bet somebody's eyes have been opened that there is a whole world of beer out there that doesn't spend 14 billion a year on advertising.

If even one person's life has been opened up to a new and fun world of alcohol, where not everyone drinks it ice cold (or responsibly for that matter) then I can be one happy motherphucking troll.

Thanks *******.

 

[dozer217]

Guiness spends that much on advertising because they can, the smaller craft brewers don't because they can't, plain and simple. If Stone or Sierra Nevada could gain an extra 5% of the market by saying server it cold or only in a plastic SOLO cup, they would in a heart beat. Hell Jim Koch is now pushing SABL as good with steak due to the insane amount of hops uses???? Now sit back have a HB and relax troll boy.

 

[billvon]

You aren't betraying your cause by putting a recommended temp on your beer. You are simply Pandering.

Well, I guess if my choice is between pandering and being dishonest, I'll go with pandering!

 

[Germelli1]

OK. I hates panderers too. (now I'm a pirate troll)

Obviously I am not changing anyone's mind.......or am I?

Those who love to swill some ice cold stout love guinnesss, the ones who warm it up and still like it love it too. COOL.

But I bet somebody's eyes have been opened that there is a whole world of beer out there that doesn't spend 14 billion a year on advertising.

If even one person's life has been opened up to a new and fun world of alcohol, where not everyone drinks it ice cold (or responsibly for that matter) then I can be one happy motherphucking troll.

Thanks *******.

After 2 or 3 other guiness bashing threads, you attack what they put on the label? Have you finally gotten the attention you crave with this one?

I mean phuck, if anything it is brillaint marketing. They are targeting uninformed beer drinkers (probably 90+% of the market) so they drink their beer where it is in a state that desentitizes taste buds. Its not like they printed a middle finger to everyone who likes to drink it cool (not cold), they are just trying to get typical light lager drinkers to branch out and try something dark without overwhelming them with flavors they arent used to.

In a very real sense they are helping out the more educated beer drinkers by getting the uneducated drinkers to branch out from light lagers...that has a great possibility of increasing the market for more specialized brews and breweries.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

In a very real sense they are helping out the more educated beer drinkers by getting the uneducated drinkers to branch out from light lagers...that has a great possibility of increasing the market for more specialized brews and breweries.

Oh! I don't see how I never noticed how noble they were being!

 

[Germelli1]

Oh! I don't see how I never noticed how noble they were being!

Haha I'm not saying their intentions were 100% pure, but there is typically a beneficial, unintentional consiquence to these type of commercial decisions

 

[cheezydemon3]

Guiness spends that much on advertising because they can, the smaller craft brewers don't because they can't, plain and simple. If Stone or Sierra Nevada could gain an extra 5% of the market by saying server it cold or only in a plastic SOLO cup, they would in a heart beat. Hell Jim Koch is now pushing SABL as good with steak due to the insane amount of hops uses???? Now sit back have a HB and relax troll boy.

................Saying that your beer is good with a steak.......Oh HELL!!! I need to start a Sam Adams BASH thread!!!

Oh Thanks!!!!

Wait,......WTF.

Now you all are phucking with the troll.

"New Belgian claims that their beer tastes good!! are they pandering???"

What the hell are you thinking?

 

[Starderup]

I'm shocked and dismayed that companies are using advertising to promote their own products. That's it. I'm boycotting everything.

 

[Sigafoos]

Stone routinely points out that they never do advertising. Which is kinda advertising.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I'm shocked and dismayed that companies are using advertising to promote their own products. That's it. I'm boycotting everything.

Seriously!

I guess my point also, was that beers that "advertise" to drink their beer as cold as possible, and claim ridiculous things like "COLD FILTERED" that have no effect on a beer, want you to drink it ice cold to numb your taste buds so you TASTE THE BEER LESS.......(FACT: ice cold beer numbs the taste buds)

And so, any brewery that wants you to not taste their beer, must believe that their beer tastes like CRAP.

 

[TheMan]

Seriously!

I guess my point also, was that beers that "advertise" to drink their beer as cold as possible, and claim ridiculous things like "COLD FILTERED" that have no effect on a beer, want you to drink it ice cold to numb your taste buds so you TASTE THE BEER LESS.......(FACT: ice cold beer numbs the taste buds)

And so, any brewery that wants you to not taste their beer, must believe that their beer tastes like CRAP.

Wait wait wait...Hold on a minute now. Warm bud light tastes worse than crap, don't give crap a bad name here.

And to Billvon, no one said pandering was always bad lol

 

[Zamial]

The OP is upset that the label has a message that reads,"Serve extremely cold." and no longer will drink Guinness. My official personal response is "So what? who cares? and more for us." BUT since this thread has dragged on been trolled and still is kicking and the OP is calling for discussion. I shall now fully discredit the OP as having no inkling of a clue what they are even talking about.

I shall start by questioning the OP's ability to correctly interpret the message on the label. The OP is relating this statement to the temps that BMC is severed at.(Proving that the advertisements for BMC has worked on them.) This is an incorrect assumption. So what temps to serve beer at then? Let's look here: http://www.ratebeer.com/Story.asp?StoryID=479 for a general guide. (Note: I am not claiming this is a perfect guide it will however serve our purposes here.)

Very cold (0-4C/32-39F): Any beer you don’t actually want to taste. Pale Lager, Malt Liquor, Canadian-style Golden Ale and Cream Ale, Low Alcohol, Canadian, American or Scandinavian-style Cider.

Cold (4-7C/39-45F): Hefeweizen, Kristalweizen, Kölsch, Premium Lager, Pilsner, Classic German Pilsner, Fruit Beer, brewpub-style Golden Ale, European Strong Lager, Berliner Weisse, Belgian White, American Dark Lager, sweetened Fruit Lambics and Gueuzes, Duvel-types

Cool (8-12C/45-54F): American Pale Ale, Amber Ale, California Common, Dunkelweizen, Sweet Stout, Stout, Dry Stout, Porter, English-style Golden Ale, unsweetened Fruit Lambics and Gueuzes, Faro, Belgian Ale, Bohemian Pilsner, Dunkel, Dortmunder/Helles, Vienna, Schwarzbier, Smoked, Altbier, Tripel, Irish Ale, French or Spanish-style Cider

(I stopped here as this is all that is needed, please check out the rest if you like!)

We see that a standard stout is supposed to be served at 45-54F.

NOW WHAT DOES THE MESSAGE "SERVE EXTREMELY COLD." MEAN? Since we need to know, let's see what Guinness, the maker of the beer in question, has to say...

From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness

What Diageo calls the "perfect pint" of Draught Guinness is the product of a lengthy "double pour", which according to the company should take 119.53 seconds. Guinness has promoted this wait with advertising campaigns such as "good things come to those who wait". Draught Guinness should be served at 6°C (42.8°F)

Canned Draught Guinness should be poured into a large glass in one smooth action, while bottled Draught Guinness should be drunk straight from the bottle.[53]

So, if we compare 42.8 degrees to the above serving temp guide, we see that Guinness is indeed supposed to be served colder than the average stout but still NOT in the range of BMC AND it is literally served 2 degrees colder than the standard temps for a stout.

Thanks OP for the truly uninformed opinion and misguided truths you have attempted to spread.

<- That way to the door and take your FAIL with you.

 

[Sigafoos]

Very cold (0-4C/32-39F): Any beer you don’t actually want to taste. Pale Lager, Malt Liquor, Canadian-style Golden Ale and Cream Ale, Low Alcohol, Canadian, American or Scandinavian-style Cider.

...

We see that a standard stout is supposed to be served at 45-54F.

NOW WHAT DOES THE MESSAGE "SERVE EXTREMELY COLD." MEAN? Since we need to know, let's see what Guinness, the maker of the beer in question, has to say...

...

Draught Guinness should be served at 6°C (42.8°F)


...

So, if we compare 42.8 degrees to the above serving temp guide, we see that Guinness is indeed supposed to be served colder than the average stout but still NOT in the range of BMC AND it is literally served 2 degrees colder than the standard temps for a stout.

Thanks OP for the truly uninformed opinion and misguided truths you have attempted to spread.

<- That way to the door and take your FAIL with you.

Are you saying 42.8 is 'extremely cold'? If not, how is his opinion 'uninformed' -- hell, even if it IS, how is his opinion uninformed? -- and what the hell is the 'misguided truth'?

Also:

What Diageo calls the "perfect pint" of Draught Guinness is the product of a lengthy "double pour", which according to the company should take 119.53 seconds.

Seriously, screw this brewery. Get over yourself, Guinness.

I cannot for the ******* life of me understand how this mediocre beer is put on such a pedestal by everyone: people who like to feign Irish pride, frat boys who like to think they're hardcore because they drink something darker than Bud Light and even people who should have better taste. If you like it fine, hey, whatever. But I don't understand how people will make constant jokes about 'the mountains being blue' and then say that when Guinness does it it's fine and drink it however you want.

(and of course this is complicated by the fact that there are no less than 23 distinct ways Guinness is packaged, and they all have different rules, but that just makes the beer better!)

I think we all need to agree that everyone who has posted in this thread is a ******* ******* and a troll and needs to shut up. Present company included, and in fact highlighted.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Wow darth.

If I hate the beer, why am I going to research it that deeply and cite such reliable sites as wikipedia?........Why would any casual drinker dig up old ads and the like??

The bottle says EXTERMELY cold. To the non wikipedian expert like yourself, that is OFF of your little chart.

EXTREMELY > VERY (greater than for the non geniuses in the room)

In other words COLDER.

Thanks for playing Darth Failer.

 

[SwampassJ]

Best 60 seconds ever spent.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Best 60 seconds ever spent. I did both of these, then I went and molested some children!

Oh THANK GOD!

Hopefully I won't be hearing from you then.

But CHILDREN??????


Guess he doesn't like a healthy discussion with his mental superiors.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

I thought Darth was having a bit of sarcastic fun! He was? Wasn't he?

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Er, when you put someone on your ignore list I had assumed that the etiquette would to keep quiet about it and just get on with one's life!

 

[SwampassJ]

 

[Sigafoos]

If you ignore LGI, I'd imagine your time browsing HBT would be significantly less interesting.

 

[Zamial]

Are you saying 42.8 is 'extremely cold'?

I am not saying 42.8 is extremely cold. It IS lower than the standardized serving temp for the style. Extreme is a very contextual word. To most people the the word extreme refers to "extending beyond the norm" so by this definition serving a Guinness at 42.8 degrees would be considered "extreme" serving temps for the stout style...

Wow darth.

If I hate the beer, why am I going to research it that deeply and cite such reliable sites as wikipedia?........Why would any casual drinker dig up old ads and the like??

Ok tard, if you hate a beer so much then why cry, scream and start a thread to voice this opinion? then throw a tantrum like a 12 year old when people disagree? because you can? F U. You are a tool.

I was attempting to explain that you are a misguided attention whore that thrives on conflict. aka a troll. I am sorry that you do not want to drink a beverage correctly but when you base the ENTIRE OP on it. I thought I would point out your failed logic. So here is more of it:

The bottle says EXTERMELY cold. To the non wikipedian expert like yourself, that is OFF of your little chart.

EXTREMELY > VERY (greater than for the non geniuses in the room)

In other words COLDER.

BTW boys and girls this is NOT TRUE ANYWHERE and a primary example of a troll clinging to the last bit of hope it has...nor do I claim to be an expert at anything...

I am deeply sorry if your brain does not have the capacity to understand the logic that I presented. I included the links as proof that I am not pulling things out of my arse or basing it of of my own perceptions/opinions.

Bottom line, I don't give a rats arse if you drink a beer or like a beer or the like. Hell, I do not even care if were to go kill yourself right now. BUT when you are crying about something from a misguided view point and spreading failed logic, I will be more than happy to shove your nose in it as needed.

I am not defending Guinness or their products. I think it is an ok beer but nothing super special. I do not want people to start to think the OP's opinions are founded in truth because clearly they are not.

 

[cheezydemon3]

OK ****** vader, since you missed my logic and resorted to name calling, it's obvious to me that you lack any debate skills whatsoever.

Your links and quotes do not appear on the bottle.

It says EXTREMELY cold in english, not "Check out these links".

Hey JDECAROL!!!!!! for trying to ignore me, you sure show up often!!(man, he sure is fat)

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Just for clarification, I regard "Extremely cold" to be like a penguins balls. Very near to ice.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Just for clarification, I regard "Extremely cold" to be like a penguins balls. Very near to ice.

NOT IF YOU CHECK OUT LINKS!!!!!!!!!

IT IS AUTOMATICALLY IMPLIED THAT YOU WIKIPEDIA ANY STATEMENT ON ANY BOTTLE!!!!!!!


GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!!!!!! tard

 

[Zamial]

OK ****** vader, since you missed my logic and resorted to name calling, it's obvious to me that you lack any debate skills whatsoever.

Sorry again but YOU resorted to the name calling 1st I simply followed suit. Also this is a discussion forum NOT the debate forum...sorry try again...

It says EXTREMELY cold in english,

And I even explained the definition of the word "extreme" for you, added to which if you do not know the correct temp to serve a stout at then what are you basing this off of? your own knowledge/opinions? we can all see how that worked out for you...