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I'm nearly positive that all those crazy sales are control by individuals that just buy and resale to each other and hence, never losing money for real to just end up selling for real to desperate idiots or to thereafter trade for rarer bottles with the fakey inflated value

This is basically what lambic in the Joel era was like.
 
As far as SR-71 goes, I guess my question is...why WOULDN'T it be valued so highly? TG's other stouts are. No adjuncts? SR-71 is at least barrel aged, which I believe Morning Delight is not? And Assassin is? And they are all 12 oz? I'm speaking as someone who only observes and has never tasted, traded for, or attempted to trade for any of these beers.

Because no beer should be 'valued' in this way, and topping Goliaths stupidy is only outweighed by the stupidity of people who pay that much for their beers.

Just because you can sell a sandwich to a starving man for a million dollars doesn't mean you should. It just makes you a worthless greedy bitch.
 
Because no beer should be 'valued' in this way, and topping Goliaths stupidy is only outweighed by the stupidity of people who pay that much for their beers.

Just because you can sell a sandwich to a starving man for a million dollars doesn't mean you should. It just makes you a worthless greedy bitch.
These people aren't "starving" in any sense though. They could easily just drink regular BCBS and wouldn't be missing out on much. They either have too much money and don't know what else to do with it or are the type of people who have decided it's easier to sell and buy stuff on secondary rather than trade. Not defending these absurd sales in any way, i just feel like you're exaggerating.

I will say that when I see people driving a ****** car that looks like it will break down any day, then see them posting pictures online drinking KBBS that was obviously bought, it makes me wonder about these people.
 
I will say that when I see people driving a ****** car that looks like it will break down any day, then see them posting pictures online drinking KBBS that was obviously bought, it makes me wonder about these people.

People can't have different priorities about how they spend their money?
 
These people aren't "starving" in any sense though. They could easily just drink regular BCBS and wouldn't be missing out on much. They either have too much money and don't know what else to do with it or are the type of people who have decided it's easier to sell and buy stuff on secondary rather than trade. Not defending these absurd sales in any way, i just feel like you're exaggerating.

I will say that when I see people driving a ****** car that looks like it will break down any day, then see them posting pictures online drinking KBBS that was obviously bought, it makes me wonder about these people.

I take part in craft beer sales/raffles and the majority of the people that I know in craft beer do also. I don't really understand the constant griping from those that find it unsavory. I wasn't around for the early days of trading when you could swap Surly Darkness for LPF (insert newmoney joke here) but it's really not too complicated now. It's all basic supply/demand driven. The demand for LPF is much higher than Darkness so it commands a higher price.

I'm sure I won't change anyone's opinion, but as an example if I have a beer that I can sell for $500 and another beer I want that I can buy for $300 it certainly makes sense in my mind to make that transaction (well, two transactions). I think this is what the majority does, not necessarily shelling out the $300 out of pocket, but treating it as essentially a trade.

Am I a bad person for not trading those beers 1:1? Some would certainly have you believe that, but then those same guys will ask for a hugely lopsided trade when they have the more desirable bottle, which IMO is the same thing as asking for more money.
 
I want to find a beat up 88 Carolla

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Really? The majority? That seems like a massive statement (not calling you a liar but like, that seems like a lot people unless you only know a couple of people)

Yes, the majority. Let's say I know 100ish people into craft beer. A rough estimate of who buys/sells on secondary would be about 75. And it's not just people that got into it in the past year or two, guys that have been doing it for a long time will come to me and say, "Hey, how much can I get for *insert beer here*"..

Secondary sales are just a normal part of beer now, IMO.
 
Yes, the majority. Let's say I know 100ish people into craft beer. A rough estimate of who buys/sells on secondary would be about 75. And it's not just people that got into it in the past year or two, guys that have been doing it for a long time will come to me and say, "Hey, how much can I get for *insert beer here*"..

Secondary sales are just a normal part of beer now, IMO.

The majority of people into craft beer drink what's on-tap at their local bar and buy 6- and 12-packs of local craft options on their way home from work.

Most people into craft beer don't even realize there's a secondary market for rare beer, and people lining up for special releases, and hoarders and traders, and closets beer cellars, and facebook groups, and website discussion forums, etc. That's a niche community within a (growing) craft market.

If what you're saying happens to be true for you personally, the people you're interacting with day in and day out simply aren't your typical American craft beer drinker.

But, whatever. Who cares? There's basketball on.
 
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The majority of people into craft beer drink at their local bar and buy 6- and 12-packs of local craft options on their way home from work.

Most people into craft beer don't even realize there's a secondary market for rare beer, and people lining up for special releases, and hoarders, and beer traders, and closets cellars, and facebook groups, and website discussion forums, etc. That's a niche community within a (growing) craft market.

If what you're saying happens to be true for you personally, the people you're interacting with day in and day out simply aren't your typical American craft beer drinker.

But, whatever. Who cares? There's basketball on.
I still consider you my brother. Hammond strong.
 
These people aren't "starving" in any sense though. They could easily just drink regular BCBS and wouldn't be missing out on much. They either have too much money and don't know what else to do with it or are the type of people who have decided it's easier to sell and buy stuff on secondary rather than trade. Not defending these absurd sales in any way, i just feel like you're exaggerating.

I will say that when I see people driving a ****** car that looks like it will break down any day, then see them posting pictures online drinking KBBS that was obviously bought, it makes me wonder about these people.

EXAGGERATING!?? ME??
I meant starving in the 'omg I need this now' way. Idiots with $ can act just as desperate as someone with actual needs... And while I agree with this:
People can't have different priorities about how they spend their money?

I also agree that I can call these people ******* idiots for doing so.
 
The majority of people into craft beer drink what's on-tap at their local bar and buy 6- and 12-packs of local craft options on their way home from work.

Most people into craft beer don't even realize there's a secondary market for rare beer, and people lining up for special releases, and hoarders and traders, and closets beer cellars, and facebook groups, and website discussion forums, etc. That's a niche community within a (growing) craft market.

If what you're saying happens to be true for you personally, the people you're interacting with day in and day out simply aren't your typical American craft beer drinker.

But, whatever. Who cares? There's basketball on.
Dat 'Nova domination.
 
EXAGGERATING!?? ME??
I meant starving in the 'omg I need this now' way. Idiots with $ can act just as desperate as someone with actual needs... And while I agree with this:


I also agree that I can call these people ******* idiots for doing so.
Yeah that was kinda my point. The sellers aren't ******** for taking advantage of people who are stupid with their money. The buyers are the idiots.
 
Yes, the majority. Let's say I know 100ish people into craft beer. A rough estimate of who buys/sells on secondary would be about 75. And it's not just people that got into it in the past year or two, guys that have been doing it for a long time will come to me and say, "Hey, how much can I get for *insert beer here*"..

Secondary sales are just a normal part of beer now, IMO.
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I want to find a beat up 88 Carolla only to attend a release, drop a grand on beer, and record everyones reactions when I load it into the trunk.
I might borrow a merc S550 and have a friend in a tux drive me to the next popular release.

Then maybe bring a portable massage table, and get a massage in line. Maybe bring in a little table some bamboo mats and have some sushi after my massage.
 
I might borrow a merc S550 and have a friend in a tux drive me to the next popular release.

Then maybe bring a portable massage table, and get a massage in line. Maybe bring in a little table some bamboo mats and have some sushi after my massage.


If you had that kind of cash you'd just hire someone to go stand in line for you. That guy in a tux for instance, or some jamoke on taskrabbit. Oh wait. People have hired mules on taskrabbit before.
 
Yes, the majority. Let's say I know 100ish people into craft beer. A rough estimate of who buys/sells on secondary would be about 75. And it's not just people that got into it in the past year or two, guys that have been doing it for a long time will come to me and say, "Hey, how much can I get for *insert beer here*"..

Secondary sales are just a normal part of beer now, IMO.
Sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong kind of people. I actually hate what beer has become.
 

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