New hop--SORACHI ACE?

[SwAMi75]

Dude....I agree, I'd drop the IBU's quite a bit. 1:1 would be good, I think! That grain bill is pretty much identical to my Simcoe APA, except I added a little Munich as well. Are you really getting 80%?

And mash it no higher than 149. Pansies.

 

[Pirate Ale]

So where is the extract version of this wonderful sounding recipe?

 

[Dude]

Maybe I'll mash a little lower and add back the dextrine, 151.5 sounds perfect!
That hop addition schedule looks good, I like having more later as well. Don't want any experimental additions if it's going to be a baseline, hop-evaluation beer. I think with those additions, you'll get a pretty good representation of the hop. What do you think about adding 5minutes to the last two additions and throwing in another ounce at flame-out? 20-10-0?
Yeast looks good, perfect for testing as well. Dry 56 is almost impossible to find up here...

Let me know when we're brewing this one. Maybe the first trans-national simul-brew?

I like it. I'll change the recipe after MNF. Go Rams. :rockin:

 

[Dude]

So where is the extract version of this wonderful sounding recipe?

I'll post an extract version for ya!

 

[Dude]

Dude....I agree, I'd drop the IBU's quite a bit. 1:1 would be good, I think! That grain bill is pretty much identical to my Simcoe APA, except I added a little Munich as well. Are you really getting 80%?

And mash it no higher than 149. Pansies.

Yeah, 1:1.

yes, I get 80% even batch sparging now--and like 86 when I fly sparge.

Okay, I made the changes. Looks good!

Check the sig for the "official" recipe. Pirate Ale, extract version is in the notes.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Looks awesome. When are you cookin' it up?

 

[Dude]

Looks awesome. When are you cookin' it up?

Probably pretty soon. I am trying to get a beer stock ready for the Super Bowl, so after my Pub Ale tomorrow, it'll prolly get brewed soon after that. I'm dying to try the Sorachi Aces.

I really want the Gaelic Ale done by then too, but my HBS doesn't have Scottish Ale yeast, which I really want to use in that.

I think I need to go shopping. BRB.

 

[Desert_Sky]

Dude, have you considered upping the wheat to 10%? I like your recipe, I may go with 60L over the 40 just for personal preference. But I like the wheat malt addition also.

My Sorachi arrived, so it keeps calling me from the freezer. Im just not decided if Im going to do a single hop brew or not. Maybe give it an Amarillo addition with it, just not sure yet.

 

[Dude]

Turns out I have to brew this today. I didn't realize until earlier that I didn't have all the necessary ingredients for the Pub Ale.

So....I'm heating up sparge water now....Sorachi Slammer is born!

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Turns out I have to brew this today. I didn't realize until earlier that I didn't have all the necessary ingredients for the Pub Ale.

So....I'm heating up sparge water now....Sorachi Slammer is born!

Dang! I'll have to wait until the end of the week. Keep us updated!

 

[Dude]

Dang! I'll have to wait until the end of the week. Keep us updated!

I know, sorry bro. Had to decide on the fly.

I was going to send you a packet of the Safale-56 too, before oyu brewed it, that way ours could be identical.

Oh, BTW, I took the wheat out of the recipe completely. Didn't have any. F* head retention.

 

[Dude]

Very smooth brew session. The wort tasted awesome. The sorachis are a little bit more bitter than I expected. I was thinking they were going to be a soft bitterness, but at 13.7%, the bitterness has to be in there somewhere. Anyway, I'm confident this is going to be a killer brew--but it might take a while to age out and mellow the flavors.

Two problems, I used my back-up cooler and FUBAR'd my mash temp. I only hit 146° so I had to add a quart of boiling water and still only got it to 148° , so this might be a dry mofo. I also kicked some effficiency a$$. For some reason I got 90% in a batch sparge. With the smaller back-up cooler, I have to actually fill it 3 times to get my volume, in which I have to recirculate after every one, so I ended up REALLY rinsing those sugars I guess.

Final numbers were 5 gallons @ 1.064 OG.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

I also kicked some effficiency a$$. For some reason I got 90% in a batch sparge. With the smaller back-up cooler, I have to actually fill it 3 times to get my volume, in which I have to recirculate after every one, so I ended up REALLY rinsing those sugars I guess.

Final numbers were 5 gallons @ 1.064 OG.

Sweet! Your efficiency goes to reason with rinsing the third time. The returns diminish fairly quickly after the second rinse though. Two rinses get you 80%, and three only gets you up to 90%, a fourth would probably only get you to 94% or so.


Kaiser, where's your spreadsheet on sparge rinses?

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Here it is...

http://www.troesterfamily.com/brewing/batch_sparging_efficiency.pdf

So you can see Dude, that three sparges will give you about 90%. You rock AND have science to back you up!

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Ok this one is rolling! Mashed-in and nailed 152F.

In the words of Dude, "It's good to be a gangsta!"

:rockin:

 

[Dude]

Ok this one is rolling! Mashed-in and nailed 152F.

In the words of Dude, "It's good to be a gangsta!"

:rockin:

Sweet...why mashing so high? Cause you suck?

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Sweet...why mashing so high? Cause you suck?

Well let's see...

Let's compromise and go 151-152° then.

Hmm that must be why.

I'm still not used to using dextrine malt as my mash temp crutch...

 

[Dude]

Well let's see...



Hmm that must be why.

I'm still not used to using dextrine malt as my mash temp crutch...

That was my lame attempt to make you think we changed it to 148.

So how's it going?

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

So how's it going?

It's going really well, my pre-boil numbers suggest I hit 81%, probably hydro-temp adjustment errors in there, but not too far off. (Man, I need a refractometer!)
These hops smell great!

P.S. I've managed to get the garage up to 35F! Woot!

 

[Dude]

Cool.

I can't wait to rack mine and try it. Maybe this weekend. I'm jonesing to brew already. Prolly gonna brew Saturday so while I'm at it I'll rack too. :rockin:

What yeast are you gonna end up using?

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

What yeast are you gonna end up using?

I'm going to use Cooper's Dry yeast. It's pretty close to Nottingham and s-56 as far as clean flavors go. I'm having a hell of a time getting quality dry yeast up here.

Just running it through the CFC right now, tastes awesome. You were right about the bitterness and I'm glad I was a little high on the GUs.

 

[Dude]

I'm going to use Cooper's Dry yeast. It's pretty close to Nottingham and s-56 as far as clean flavors go. I'm having a hell of a time getting quality dry yeast up here.

Just running it through the CFC right now, tastes awesome. You were right about the bitterness and I'm glad I was a little high on the GUs.

Once I get a few beers bottled up, I'll send you that and the Oaked AB and also throw in a few packets of S-56. If you like 1056 you'll love this stuff. No starter necessary.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Once I get a few beers bottled up, I'll send you that and the Oaked AB and also throw in a few packets of S-56. If you like 1056 you'll love this stuff. No starter necessary.

That would be sweet, you take Paypal right? I'm not lookin' for a free ride.

 

[Dude]

That would be sweet, you take Paypal right? I'm not lookin' for a free ride.

Dude that S-56 is like 2 bucks. Big whoop.

Plus I want to send you the Sorachi Ace brew and also the SOS since you've been such a help in both of those threads.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

Dude that S-56 is like 2 bucks. Big whoop.

Plus I want to send you the Sorachi Ace brew and also the SOS since you've been such a help in both of those threads.

The Dude abides.


:rockin:

 

[Desert_Sky]

going with Sorachis and Amarillos

lemony + grapefruit goodness

Citrus Pale maybe?


1/2 oz Sorachi 60
1/2 oz Amarillo 35
1/2 oz Sorachi 25
1 oz Amarillo 15
1 oz Sorachi 10
1/2 Amarillo 5

or something along those lines. Ill double check on the hop times when I get home.

 

[Dude]

going with Sorachis and Amarillos

lemony + grapefruit goodness

Citrus Pale maybe?


1/2 oz Sorachi 60
1/2 oz Amarillo 35
1/2 oz Sorachi 25
1 oz Amarillo 15
1 oz Sorachi 10
1/2 Amarillo 5

or something along those lines. Ill double check on the hop times when I get home.

Sounds like I died and went to heaven.

 

[Desert_Sky]

11 Gallons

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
74.6 18.00 lbs. Crisp Maris Otter Britain 1.036 4
10.4 2.50 lbs. Crystal 40L America 1.034 40
4.1 1.00 lbs. Munich Malt(light) America 1.033 10
4.1 1.00 lbs. Wheat Malt America 1.038 2
4.1 1.00 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033 2
2.6 0.63 lbs. Honey Malt Canada 1.030 18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.50 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 13.6 60 min.
0.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 6.2 35 min.
0.50 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 5.5 25 min.
1.00 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 5.3 15 min.
1.00 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 5.5 10 min.
0.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 1.7 5 min.


Just not sure sure if Im keeping the Munich or not. Opinions?

 

[Dude]

11 Gallons

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
74.6 18.00 lbs. Crisp Maris Otter Britain 1.036 4
10.4 2.50 lbs. Crystal 40L America 1.034 40
4.1 1.00 lbs. Munich Malt(light) America 1.033 10
4.1 1.00 lbs. Wheat Malt America 1.038 2
4.1 1.00 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033 2
2.6 0.63 lbs. Honey Malt Canada 1.030 18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.50 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 13.6 60 min.
0.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 6.2 35 min.
0.50 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 5.5 25 min.
1.00 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 5.3 15 min.
1.00 oz. Sorachi Ace Whole 13.70 5.5 10 min.
0.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 1.7 5 min.


Just not sure sure if Im keeping the Munich or not. Opinions?

Why not....the munich will add even more maltiness. Might be splitting hairs here though--but either drop that Honey malt completely or keep it under a half pound. Easy to overso that stuff--and honestly, you don't need it in that recipe.

 

[Desert_Sky]

good point on the honey.

This is gonna be an expensive brew.I think its time to finally get a grainmill and save some money.