meat vs. beer

[david_42]

"vegetarian buffalo wings"

That's just basically wrong!

 

[Evan!]

"vegetarian buffalo wings"

That's just basically wrong!

F'n A! I heard a routine on XM Comedy a few days ago abut vegetarians. He said, and I paraphrase, all these vegetarians justify their choices by claiming that meat doesn't taste good, they like vegetables more, etc. If that's true, then let's look in your freezer. Oh, hey, vegetarian meat-substitute hamburgers! Tofu bacon substitute! If meat tastes so damn bad, why are you constantly trying to replicate it? You don't go to the butcher and see "all meat tomato substitute".

Pretty funny stuff...

My own observations have been that alot of vegetarians/vegans (especially vegans) are overweight. I suppose that would be because of the high proportion of carbohydrates in their diets.

I'm no doctor, but I wouldn't say that "meat" is the problem here. It's fatty, high-cholesterol meat. Could you not just try lean cuts? boneless/skinless chicken breasts? It's not a porterhouse, but it's better than just salad...

 

[david_42]

http://community.morningstarfarms.com/product_detail.aspx?id=317

Who else?

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

Don't fprget to keep your protien up. So since homebrewed beer is full of protien....

 

[feedthebear]

Evan!, the guy you are listening to on the radio is an idiot.

Most vegetarians do it either for spiritual or health reasons. Meat substitutes are about trying to find something that will have the same size or same texture as the meat that you would normally use in a recipe. But believe me, 99% of the meat substitutes taste nothing like meat.

Dave42, I haven't been able to find MorningStar's wings anywhere. But I've never been terribly impressed with their products. I've picked up some seitan (wheat gluten). I'm going to try frying it with hot sauce. If it works, great. If not, I'll fall back on jalapeno poppers and curry.

Oh, and I've dropped 2 lbs in 2 weeks.

 

[chthonik]

I've picked up some seitan (wheat gluten). I'm going to try frying it with hot sauce.

Hail Seitan!

I'm holding back from lashing out at all the meat-eaters here because I respect them as brewers...

Saying we're supposed to eat meat because it tastes good is like saying we're supposed to shoot heroin because it feels good.

Oops, I said I was going to hold back didn't i? Sorry...

 

[RadicalEd]

One thing you have to try if you like the hot stuff is a few drops of your favorite "flavor" hot sauce (Louisiana or Tabasco are good) in a bowl of oatmeal, and sweeten to taste. It really gives an otherwise bland--but disgustingly healthy--breakfast a shot of pizang. And the oatmeal itself helps to quelch any burn, if you don't like that too much.

 

[zoebisch01]

Hail Seitan!

Lol. I just try to grow and raise most of my food. I am slowly getting there, but tbh the way everything works is kind of stacked against this philosophy. I think people don't eat more vegetables because what we have access to sucks in terms of genetics and freshness.

 

[zoebisch01]

Everything is going good so far. 1 week vegetarian. Already I can tell some difference. My energy level is up. But more importantly, the painful indigestion problem that I've had for the last two months (and got so bad I finally made the appointment with the doc.) is completely gone now.

I haven't lost any weight yet and I'm sure the fatty liver is still there. But, God, do I feel better. I finally felt good enough to bottle my red ale that's been 3 weeks overdue.

Tis good to hear!

I'll drink to that. If you can find a way to get into locally grown veggies or grow some yourself it makes eating vegetables like night and day imo.

 

[FlyingHorse]

Evan!, the guy you are listening to on the radio is an idiot.

Whoa, relax! I believe Evan! cited a comedian.

I'm holding back from lashing out at all the meat-eaters here because I respect them as brewers...

Saying we're supposed to eat meat because it tastes good is like saying we're supposed to shoot heroin because it feels good.

OK, how about "we're supposed to eat meat because we are omnivores, and have been since we evolved as a species" (pretty sure the heroin analogy doesn't fit there).

The health issue isn't meat, per se. Sure, we probably don't need as much as we did in caveman times, given that we spend a lot more time typing on homebrew forums (for example) than running down mammoths with sticks and stones. But meat in moderation isn't unhealthy. If it's all you eat (and you're not running down mammoths) then you have a problem. The bigger problem is probably the nature of the carbs and fats (overprocessed, and generally uunfamiliar to the human body) that a lot of people eat today.

 

[phooka]

I am a little late on this thread I guess. I had the same issue with fatty liver, showed up initial on blood tests by high liver enzymes and then verified with an ultra sound. My solution, rather than giving up meat OR beer was to cut back only on fried foods (no french fries), and get back to exercise. I really don't do much there. I run maybe 3-4 miles 2-3 times a week and light weights (that part I haven't been so consistent about). I lost 25 lbs and liver enzymes issue disappeared on last two tests.

dale

 

[chthonik]

Whoa, relax! I believe Evan! cited a comedian.


OK, how about "we're supposed to eat meat because we are omnivores, and have been since we evolved as a species" (pretty sure the heroin analogy doesn't fit there).

The health issue isn't meat, per se. Sure, we probably don't need as much as we did in caveman times, given that we spend a lot more time typing on homebrew forums (for example) than running down mammoths with sticks and stones. But meat in moderation isn't unhealthy. If it's all you eat (and you're not running down mammoths) then you have a problem. The bigger problem is probably the nature of the carbs and fats (overprocessed, and generally uunfamiliar to the human body) that a lot of people eat today.

There's also the antibiotics that most American meat is pumped full of, the growth hormones, the animal waste parts that are ground up and fed to the next generation of animals (mad cow anyone?), not to mention the appalling conditions most animals are raised in.

Oops, I couldn't hold back again! I really do try not to get into arguments about vegetarianism with meat-eaters, but it's hard sometimes, given the importance our society places on meat.

F*@& it, let's have a beer!

 

[phooka]

There's also the antibiotics that most American meat is pumped full of, the growth hormones, the animal waste parts that are ground up and fed to the next generation of animals (mad cow anyone?), not to mention the appalling conditions most animals are raised in.

mmmm meat. now I'm hungry. I think it's a Wendy's day for a triple!

 

[chthonik]

Wendy's has Belgian ales now?

Oh wait, you mean one of those meat sandwich things.

 

[Ryanh1801]

chthonik- Just because of your stupid little rant im gonna go eat a big ass steak tonight. mumm meat!!!!:rockin:

 

[Fingers]

I don't know about appalling conditions. The cows on my property seem pretty content to wander about munching on grass all day. That's when they're not eating the bucket loads of oats and barley they get to supplement their diet. My chickens run around a various spacious coop and get fed an optimum diet. The Hutterite colony down the road raises commercial birds and they have a large barn where they can run around all they like. The only poor conditions I've seen on livestock are the laying hens. So if you don't want to contribute to animal cruelty, stop eating eggs and go ahead with everything else.

 

[Drunkensatyr]

Kill the Whales........ Save the Phytoplankton!!!!!!!!

 

[SixFoFalcon]

Not all meat is bad. In most urban parts of the USA, we now have a much more diverse selection when we go to the supermarket than we did even one or two years ago. Buying "bad" foods is no longer the fault of the supermarket trying to make a buck... an informed consumer has options.

The fact that I don't eat as much red meat as the next guy isn't because I actively tell myself not to. And it sure as hell ain't because I don't like the taste! (I LOVE a good steak!) It's because I put other proteins like fish and lean poultry into my cooking, and it just doesn't leave much room for burgers, sausages and whatnot. I save those things for the occasional weekend BBQ. A "diet of exclusion" mentality is usually not the answer. If you want to get somewhere, you need to think about what roads you should take, not the thousands of roads you shouldn't take.

 

[chthonik]

I don't know about appalling conditions. The cows on my property seem pretty content to wander about munching on grass all day. That's when they're not eating the bucket loads of oats and barley they get to supplement their diet. My chickens run around a various spacious coop and get fed an optimum diet. The Hutterite colony down the road raises commercial birds and they have a large barn where they can run around all they like. The only poor conditions I've seen on livestock are the laying hens. So if you don't want to contribute to animal cruelty, stop eating eggs and go ahead with everything else.

You're certainly the exception. Good for you; I don't mean that sarcastically.

 

[feedthebear]

Since this thread has been revived...

I can answer the question: can I eat pork and chicken and just avoid the cow.

The answer is no.

I went to the grocery store and thought I bought a bunch of vegetarian and vegan burritos. One of them had been stocked in the wrong place and I didn't pay close enough to the label when I grabbed it.

I was half way through what I thought was a vegan chili verde burrito when I realized I was eating shredded pork. At that point, I figured I might as well finish it instead of throwing it away.

The digestion pain that caused me to go see the doc. came right back. Whether that pain is related to the fatty liver or not, I don't know yet. But I do know that my body isn't digesting any meat the way it should.

 

[Ryanh1801]

Have you been checked for gallstones??

 

[feedthebear]

Sorry, I've been out of town.

when they ultrasounded me, they looked at my gallbladder and didn't find anything. Talking to my boss yesterday, he said the same thing.

I didn't think of the gallbladder because my pain is no where near there. But it could be reflective pain

He suggested I try the zero-fat/high-fat test: Eat no fat for 2 days. On the 3rd day eat a lot of fat and see if the pain comes back. His doc. told him to do it because he didn't appear to have stones. When his pain came back on the 3rd day, the did some exploratory stuff and discovered that he had "sludge" in his gallbladder instead of stones.

I'll have to try it some time this week. Maybe I have the same sort of situation.

 

[sudsmonkey]

Add another vote for " Dump the meat". Remember that man does not live on meat alone. Keep the beer and cook with more spices and peppers and such. I once had a great Portabello sandwich somewhere, can't remember where. It was marinated in steak seasoning, grilled and served with an IPA and fries with a pickle on the side.
Worked for me

 

[phooka]

I would live by meat alone (with beer chasers) if my wife wouldn't make me eat vegetables.. dang rabbit food.

 

[feedthebear]

I'm not a real mushroom fan. But I agree, there are some really good mushroom burgers out there.

I tried that gallbladder test. I didn't have the pain. What I did have was probably my lactose intolerance acting up. I guess thats what I get for using cheese as one of my fat sources.