looking for southern tier iniquity clone...

[seatbelt123]

Quick update...took another gravity reading today in preparation for bottling this weekend. Down to 1.018 which puts me at 7.3%.

Neo, That's funny because I did the exact same thing this afternoon. My fermentation has stopped - no change in the gravity reading since Saturday. But I'm stuck at 1030. Ironically that leaves me with a 7.3% ABV too. It tastes GREAT!

I haven't added the dry hops yet. I will when I keg it on Thursday or Friday.

I can't wait to get this on tap.

 

[seatbelt123]

Just pulled my first pour. It's great - not exactly what I aimed for but still great.

Problem: sweeter than intended
Cause: poor BIAB mash temp control.

Problem: too much coffee flavor
Cause: 10% carafa III

Next time I'll manage the temps better and cut back the carafa to 5% ish.

Otherwise, brew it, this is great.

Cascadian Dark Ale

Style: Unassigned
Type: All Grain Calories: 281
Rating: 0.0 Efficiency: 75 %
IBU's: 88.06 Boil Size: 6.49 Gal
Color: 48.5 SRM Batch Size: 5.25 Gal
Boil Time: 60 minutes
Estimated Actual
Brew Date: - 10/23/2011
OG: 1.086 1.086
FG: 1.021 1.030
ABV: 8.51 % 7.34 %
Serve Date: 11/09/2011 / /

Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp Estimated Actual
Primary 10 days @ 68.0°F 10/23/2011 10/23/2011
Bottle/Keg 7 days @ 38.0°F 11/02/2011 11/03/2011

Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
1.50 lbs 9.09 % Carafa III 60 mins 1.032
15.00 lbs 90.91 % Briess 2-Row Pale Ale Malt 60 mins 1.037

Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
2.00 ozs 71.70 Nugget 60 mins 13.00
2.00 ozs 15.06 Cascade 15 mins 5.50
2.00 ozs 1.31 Williamette 1 mins 5.50
1.00 ozs Cascade 10 days 5.50
1.00 ozs Nugget 10 days 13.00

Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
1.0 pkg Safale US-05 Fermentis US-05

Additions
(none)

Mash Profile
Sacch' Rest 60 min @ 152.0°F
Add 24.75 qt ( 1.50 qt/lb ) water @ 167.4°F

Carbonation
Amount Type Beer Temp CO2 Vols
11.2 psi Force Carbonation 38.0°F 2.50

Notes
1086 OG
Bubbling started 10/24/11 at 1pm.

1030 10/30/11

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[donjonson]

So how would you compare it to southern tier iniquity?

 

[neomantra]

I'm curious if the over abundance of coffee flavoring you're picking up is related to the really high FG. I didn't have that impression when tasting my hydro sample. Maybe you just need to pitch two packets of the safale next time since this is such a high gravity beer.

I meant to bottle mine Sunday but I had too many homebrews during the football games and got lazy. Will hopefully get it done Wednesday, and will report back with an update then.

Donjonson, I've got 2 bombers of Iniquity I picked up a couple weeks ago to do a side by side comparison once it's carbed up. I've only had it once and that was back in July so it'll be good to have a proper reminder of what it's really supposed to taste like.

 

[seatbelt123]

I'm curious if the over abundance of coffee flavoring you're picking up is related to the really high FG. I didn't have that impression when tasting my hydro sample. Maybe you just need to pitch two packets of the safale next time since this is such a high gravity beer.

I'm pretty certain that the high final gravity is due to the poor temp control during the mash (too high). After it stalled I tried to rouse the yeast by raising the temp, a few CO2 bubbles and maybe a point or two drop but it was clearly done.

After having a few pints I have one more issue with this batch:
Weak hop aroma - I added 1 oz each of cascade and nugget to the keg (in a bag). Hopefully they will add more to the aroma in a few more days.

I'm probably being too critical. My neighbor who is a fantastic (and hardcore) brewer offered a positive review. My criticisms are based on my expectations (he had none).

Finally, I haven't had a chance to pick up a ST Inequity since I stated serving mine. I'll do that comparison ASAP.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to others' input and experiences with this.

 

[neomantra]

Ah, yeah that makes sense regarding mashing temp and FG. I think upping the dry hop is a good idea too. I went with 4oz total (2oz centennial/2oz cascade) and it's got a nice aroma presence.

I finally found the free time to bottle mine on Friday so in about 3 weeks I'll do an initial comparison with the real deal. Since I made some changes from when I posted a few pages back here's the updated 'final' version I ended up using. So far the only suggestions I'd make to anyone is to make sure you adjust the amount of 2row you use to actually hit the 9% abv with whatever your efficiency is, and that you could probably use any of the other typical IPA yeast strains (wlp cali 001/wyeast 1056/etc). I only used the wlp051 because I had some on hand and didn't have the others. Will provide more feedback in a few weeks though...


Iniquity clone - Imperial IPA
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Batch Size: 5.275 gal
Boil Size: 7.300 gal
Boil Time: 90.000 min
Mash Temp: 156F
Efficiency: 70%
OG: 1.083 (actual 1.074)
FG: 1.022 (actual 1.017)
ABV: 7.9% (actual 7.6%)
Bitterness: 82.1 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 49 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
=================
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt, 2 Row, US Grain 16.000 lb Yes No 78%% 2 L
Debittered Black Malt Grain 1.500 lb Yes No 74%% 550 L
Total grain: 17.500 lb

Hops
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Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Chinook 11.8%% 2.000 oz Boil 90.000 min Pellet 66.6
Cascade 5.5%% 2.000 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 14.4
Willamette 4.5%% 2.000 oz Boil 1.000 min Pellet 1.0
Cascade 6.0%% 2.000 oz Dry Hop 10.000 day Pellet 0.0
Centennial 10.5%% 2.000 oz Dry Hop 10.000 day Pellet 0.0

Misc
=========================
Name Type Use Amount Time
Irish Moss Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 15.000 min

Yeast
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Name Type Form Amount Stage
White Labs California Ale V (WLP051) Ale Liquid 0.571 cup Primary

 

[neomantra]

Ok, here we go...side by side. The commercial bottle I've got here has a vague imprint of a date on it that says 7/21/11. I'm not 100% sure if that's the brew date or a suggested "drink by" date. Either way it's indicative of some of the things I'm about to say.

Smell: Iniquity smells are almost exclusively dominated by the malt. Smooth chocolate notes from the debittered black. On my clone there's heavy dry hop aroma. I really need to find a fresh bottle of Iniquity to get a real idea of how close the aroma is to the real thing.

Appearance: Color is identical. A little more lacing from the real deal than the clone. Both poured with a very thin head that sticks the entire way down the glass. The foam on mine is more tannish looking compared to the Iniquity foam being a little more white.

Taste: The Iniquity is 9% ABV and that comes through in the taste, especially with the older bottle that's lost some of the hops flavor. Because I screwed up a bit on the efficiency and ended at 7.6% there is less hot alcohol flavor.. In my clone there is obviously a lot more flavor from the hops since it's only a week out from being carbonated. I think mine is slightly more bitter but rather than reducing the bittering hop addition I think next time I'll just aim to fix the efficiency issue. It would probably be about right if my beer had turned out at 9% as intended. One last note...I used Cali V yeast for this. I honestly can't tell if that is contributing much flavor difference or not. I should probably brew a split batch at some point and do half with cali V and half with wlp001 or wyeast 1056 to see what the difference is.

Conclusion: Brew this recipe if you like black IPAs...it's delicious. If you're super concerned with nailing the clone exactly be sure to modify the amount of 2row to get you to 9% ABV for your setup, and probably use wyeast 1056 or wlp001 instead of the cali V.