Sweet Stout Left Hand Milk Stout Clone

[Scriv]

Just curious, did you take into account the Lactose that is not fermentable but manifests itself in a gravity reading??

Yes, I'm not expecting it to drop below 1.020, but I'm hoping it'll go below 1.030

 

[jcc4507fly]

Yes, I'm not expecting it to drop below 1.020, but I'm hoping it'll go below 1.030

Gotcha. What was your OG?

Mine was at 1.074, which is a bit higher than normal. Should have a final here within a week-ish..

 

[jcc4507fly]

There's not much oatmeal in this recipe, but I mash any oats in a regular pot w/strainer of course, on the stove then add liquid to grain mash after 45min or so. Had 1 stuck mash..never again. Just have to subtract water amount from grain mash, once oat liquid is poured its back to where it should be.

What type of vessel do you use for mash tun? False bottom? Have you tried adding rice hulls to your mash tun? I use them most brews, especially if my grain bill calls for anything flaked!

 

[Scriv]

Gotcha. What was your OG?

Mine was at 1.074, which is a bit higher than normal. Should have a final here within a week-ish..

OG was 1.066

 

[jcc4507fly]

I mashed it at 154, and fermented at 67. I have since raised the fermenter temp and there's new activity, I'll check it again in a couple days.

Has your gravity changed much over the last few days? Not sure if you mentioned it before but, which yeast did you pitch? Did you make any changes to the recipe? For example, did you scale the recipe up or down? How much lactose did you use? What was your wort volume?

 

[Scriv]

Has your gravity changed much over the last few days? Not sure if you mentioned it before but, which yeast did you pitch? Did you make any changes to the recipe? For example, did you scale the recipe up or down? How much lactose did you use? What was your wort volume?

No, I think it's done. I used rehydrated US-05, no changes to the recipe, but the volume to the fermenter was less than 5 gallons, something went wrong with my water numbers somewhere. I used 1lb lactose. I'm going to eventually keg it with some cold brew coffee, hopefully that'll cut the sweetness a bit.

 

[jcc4507fly]

Thought you may be interested...

You may want to check what your apparent attenuation was to help diagnose/understand better what may have happened. If your attenuation was low consider verifying your pitch rate is correct next batch. I also noticed you mashed at 154*, this will also lead to a sweeter beer. I typically mash this brew at 151*, that way it finishes on the dryer side. The lactose will then sweeten it up perfectly.

I'll use my batch for the example.
Let's say my OG=1.074
And FG= 1.025
12 gallon batch
2.5# of lactose
Safale US-05, which has Apparent Attenuation of about 80%AA
ABV= 6.4%

To accurately figure the apparent attenuation we need to subtract the Lactose gravity from our OG and FG. Lactose has a potential gravity of 1.043 ppg (43 points per pound per gallon).

Potential Gravity of Lactose X Pounds Used / Wort Volume

So in my batch 43x2.5=107.5/12 = 9 points or 0.009; Now we can subtract out 9 points from the OG & FG.

OG: 1.074-0.009 = 1.065
FG: 1.025-0.009 = 1.016

Apparent attenuation: OG-FG/OG=AA%
65-16=49/65 =75%AA

I'm sure it will be a great beer and taste amazing! But if you're like me, I'm always trying to learn, improve and be more consistent. Even if it is just a couple gravity/abv points. [emoji482]

 

[kennyg]

any thoughts on swapping out the base malt with vienna?

 

[brewski09]

Never done a primary Vienna beer so no. But if you have done it or want to experiment, go for it.

 

[fuzzy2133]

Be sure to check for conversion and it would be good to have some 2row handy if it fails or takes too long to self convert.

I experimented with using Munich malt for a Stout and it never converted until I tossed 2lbs of 2row in.

 

[D_Nyholm]

Just fully carbed up a neopolitan version if this. Added 4 Oz cocoa nibs soaked in vodka and 2 Madagascar vanilla beans plus 1 Oz of strawberry extract. It came out very good despite the artificial strawberry (last time I used real strawberries the beer became very dry and tart with only strawberry aroma). It honestly tastes like ice cream. Can't keep it away from my wife!

 

[Scriv]

Wow, this is good stuff. I added 2 cups cold brew coffee during kegging, first pours today taste great! Coffee aroma, lots of chocolate with a coffee finish. Very happy with this brew.

 

[MattyIce]

I made a 6 gallon batch of this, only upping the pale malt by a pound. It is juuuuust about carbed in the keg and very smooth. One of my BMC friends asked for a glass after a shot glass sample. Submitting for BJCP judging this weekend.

 

[Zekk]

Bottled this up on Sunday. Was at 1.022, hydro sampled was super good. Super roasty and that awesome mouthfeel you get from the lactose. Going to be hard to wait for the carb to come up. I'll probably sneak one this weekend

 

[Madmannvan]

I want to make this for sure! Has anyone subbed the 2 row for Maris otter?

 

[Loodachris]

I want to make this for sure! Has anyone subbed the 2 row for Maris otter?

Actually yes I did. I made this on my Picobrew for the second brew on the machine. Just got finished kegging all 2.5 gallons of it and the sample tastes amazing. I also used US-04 for the yeast and not the usual US-05. Can't wait for it to carb up because this will for sure go fast. Finally making good beers thanks to the Picobrew!

 

[Madmannvan]

Brewed this one last night. With Maris otter in place of the 2 row. Everything went great, hydrometer sample tasted amazing. I threw a little fuggle in with the EKG hops at ten mins. And pitched some white labs 002 that I had washed and made a starter with. Excited to have this one in a keg.

How long are people doing primary and secondary on this one?
Can I just keg after fermentation is complete?
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[Loodachris]

The only time I did a secondary was when I added cold brewed coffee other than that I have always kegged after fermentation was complete

 

[Scriv]

Even the wife digs this beer (that's a rarity).

 

[kylerbills]

So with everyone ending up in the 1.060-1.070ish range, this is to include the gravity of the lactose right? Beer smith projects my OG at 1.056. I've matched the recipe and can't figure out why its giving me the low number. Want to brew it this weekend, but want it to be on par.

 

[LLBeanJ]

Yes, OG includes lactose. What does BS report for expected OG if you delete (or change amount to zero) the lactose?

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

This will be my first stout and my Christmas beer by the fire.Really looking forward to this one! Is it really grain to glass in 3 weeks kegging.I thought stouts take longer

 

[kylerbills]

Ok...so i got it figured out. My equipment settings were off. With lactose now its giving 1.063. It is estimating my FG at 1.008 but obviously that is telling me the lactose is fermenting when its not. Still, that seems low even adding the points for the lactose thats still there in the end. Is BS just expecting too much? I appreciate your quick response LLBeanJ also!

 

[LLBeanJ]

Double-click the lactose ingredient inside the recipe and check the "not fermentable" box. That should increase the expected FG. Also, what yeast are you using? If it is a high attenuator, you will need to increase the mash temp to get the expected FG to be where you want it to be. Or use a different yeast. I like WLP028 Edinburgh Ale for this one, but any neutral strain will work.

 

[kylerbills]

Anyone brewed this with WLP005 British Ale? Bought it and thought I would give it a try.

 

[Wiesty]

Just brewed this on Thursday. 3 days of fermentation at 68 degrees Fahrenheit and we hit 5.7%. We used Nottingham yeast however...is this yeast supposed to work this quick? The krausen has already completely dropped! When I use S-04 usually the top of the carboy is messy for about a week!

 

[Dynachrome]

Yeah, Notty seems to run about 3 days in my system.

I'd also think you'll get good results for this style IMHO.

 

[brewski09]

3-3.5 days for 5.7% sounds about right for notty. It may have dropped a few more points by now too.

 

[Madmannvan]

Kegged mine today gravity went from 1.06 down to 1.022 so 5% and the sample tastes great. Can't wait for this to be carbed up in a few days. Thanks for the recipe!!

 

[Madmannvan]

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3 days in the kegorator at its already amazing, I'm sure it will only get better with time. This one may get out into the regular rotation. Thanks OP