Lawsuit Against Anheuser-Busch

[DisturbdChemist]

Point of information: After nearly ever large-scale disaster in recent history, Budweiser has shut down production at a brewery, and switched it to canning water. And then provides the canned water free of charge to the Red Cross and other relief organizations. According to one article, "Since 1988, Anheuser-Busch has donated more than 71 million cans of emergency drinking water following natural and other disasters."

(Think about it: They're perfectly positioned to do so. Large-scale, quality water supply, packaging system ready, distribution network in place...) What an evil corporation.

Sorry to ruin your delusion.

I do not have any delusion on AB. I just just that picture and put it on here. Its great that they help out in a disaster because they can (and probably a big tax break too). Dont have to be an a-hole about it.

 

[dkwolf]

I do not have any delusion on AB. I just just that picture and put it on here. Its great that they help out in a disaster because they can (and probably a big tax break too). Dont have to be an a-hole about it.

Who's the one that posted a photo of a public service done by a corporation (with no requirement to do so), and commented on it being a new can for Bud Light. You started down the a-hole path, don't complain when someone follows your lead.

 

[DisturbdChemist]

Who's the one that posted a photo of a public service done by a corporation (with no requirement to do so), and commented on it being a new can for Bud Light. You started down the a-hole path, don't complain when someone follows your lead.

It was a joke anyhow. I saw the it and just wanted to post on here. It is on topic anyhow. The ad was place in the paper because of the lawsuit that just got filed on them. I dont care about the lawsuit because i do not buy their product and really do not care. Also you didnt have to say anything on that post and i'm not leading anyone.

 

[Varmintman]

Oh the evils of inbev. Every young man knows the more a young lady consumes the evil beverage produced by inbev the lower her knickers seem to go. Enough bud light and sometimes they fall right off in the backseat of a 57 chevy.

And folks wonder why budlight sells

 

[WesleyS]

Who's the one that posted a photo of a public service done by a corporation (with no requirement to do so), and commented on it being a new can for Bud Light. You started down the a-hole path, don't complain when someone follows your lead.

Lighten up. I know this thread has been mostly AB bashing but his post was just a joke and it wasn't even his picture. It was in the newspaper. He didn't mention anything about AB being an evil corporation either. Why don't you spend more time reading posts and understanding what the person is really saying and less time jumping to conclusions.

 

[johns]

Oh the evils of inbev. Every young man knows the more a young lady consumes the evil beverage produced by inbev the lower her knickers seem to go. Enough bud light and sometimes they fall right off in the backseat of a 57 chevy.

And folks wonder why budlight sells

Grain alchoal will do the same thing quicker, Would you drink 190 proof stuff though/

 

[martiniw2olives]

Grain alchoal will do the same thing quicker, Would you drink 190 proof stuff though/

Agree, however the window of opportunity for romance becomes drastically reduced. Nothing worst than getting your hopes up then finding yourself having to carry, clean up after, and babysit the rest of the evening. I believe lite beer for the ladies is a better choice for this particular situation.

 

[downtown3641]

Agree, however the window of opportunity for romance becomes drastically reduced. Nothing worst than getting your hopes up then finding yourself having to carry, clean up after, and babysit the rest of the evening. I believe lite beer for the ladies is a better choice for this particular situation.

May as well just give her a roofie and get to the date rape a little quicker.

 

[Bobbybob]

That was a bit of a date-rapie couple of comments guys.

 

[martiniw2olives]

That was a bit of a date-rapie couple of comments guys.

Not intended to be. Just a poor attempt at humor

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

IMO the whole thing is stupid. They could just as easily not provide the abv on the labeling like other beers do and tweak the recipe to a lower abv, saving money on grain cost. I hate InBev as much as everyone else but I doubt they are watering down the beer any more than it already is. Why spend more money on grain per batch and more money on water to dilute it when they could spend less just brewing a slightly weaker beer. The people that run InBev aren't that dumb.

 

[cheezydemon3]

IMO the whole thing is stupid. They could just as easily not provide the abv on the labeling like other beers do and tweak the recipe to a lower abv, saving money on grain cost. I hate InBev as much as everyone else but I doubt they are watering down the beer any more than it already is. Why spend more money on grain per batch and more money on water to dilute it when they could spend less just brewing a slightly weaker beer. The people that run InBev aren't that dumb.

You are wrong.

Imagine you make some incredibly strong wort, it would ferment out (with super yeast) to 90% ABV.

split that 14 ways and top up to 5 gallons on each.

You brewed once and have 70 gallons of beer.

Anheiser Busch has to pay people. Each "brew session" is a BIG effing deal. If they eliminate 1 or 2 brewing sessions by brewing stronger and diluting, then they save $$$.

 

[Frige]

So what is the difference between watering down the bud and me adding water to my fermenter to get the og just right? OMG I am guilty of watering down my beer!

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

You are wrong.

Imagine you make some incredibly strong wort, it would ferment out (with super yeast) to 90% ABV.

split that 14 ways and top up to 5 gallons on each.

You brewed once and have 70 gallons of beer.

Anheiser Busch has to pay people. Each "brew session" is a BIG effing deal. If they eliminate 1 or 2 brewing sessions by brewing stronger and diluting, then they save $$$.

First of you should try a more friendly approach than starting off saying "you are wrong". Second you can't get yeast to ferment out to 90% abv, even the best distillers yeast doesn't go that high. You'd have to be distilling to hit 180 proof and at that point you'd have almost pure alcohol. Diluting that down to 4-5% isnt going to make the booze taste like anything close to beer, more like watery vodka. Yea I imagine their brew session are a big deal but they have all the best technology, brewers, and equipment money can buy to make it as simple and effortless as possible. On top of that their brewers are probably paid on salary not hourly. So brewing more batches is just getting AB their money's worth out of employees, not saving money on labor.

 

[TyTanium]

...On top of that their brewers are probably paid on salary not hourly. So brewing more batches is just getting AB their money's worth out of employees, not saving money on labor.

See: opportunity cost of labor

Also, labor is one of many marginal batch costs

And I think the 90% thing was hyperbole...

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

See: opportunity cost of labor

Also, labor is one of many marginal batch costs

And I think the 90% thing was hyperbole...

Not sure how opportunity cost relates here. Since everyone's paid to do their part and everything else is done by machine, I'm not sure where they are giving up something else to achieve their goal. Elaborate a bit for me if you don't mind. In the accounting, yea sure the salary cost would be broken down batch to batch and added to figure out cost of production. But the more they brew the less the brewers are being paid per batch, considering they are on salary. Which I couldn't see them getting paid hourly for a number of reasons.

 

[TyTanium]

Not sure how opportunity cost relates here. Elaborate a bit for me if you don't mind. In the accounting, yea sure the salary cost would be broken down batch to batch and added to figure out cost of production. But the more they brew the less the brewers are being paid per batch, considering they are on salary. Which I couldn't see them getting paid hourly for a number of reasons.

Meaning if they aren't brewing, they are free to be productive elsewhere. Either that or they can employ fewer brewers.

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

Meaning if they aren't brewing, they are free to be productive elsewhere. Either that or they can employ fewer brewers.

I agree with you, but that's why they most likely pay them on salary. That and the machinery they have kind of gives them no other jobs to do but brew and clean. So with nothing else to do, the best way for corporate to get its money's worth is to keep them brewing as much as possible. Essentially lowering opportunity cost.

Kind of strayed off from the watering down their beer debate haven't we lol.

 

[TyTanium]

I agree with you, but that's why they most likely pay them on salary. That and the machinery they have kind of gives them no other jobs to do but brew and clean.

Kind of strayed off from the watering down their beer debate haven't we lol.

Ha, yeah, economics is a far more interesting topic

 

[GrogNerd]

Ha, yeah, economics is a far more interesting topic

you must not have had to endure the econ discussion in the "funny things overheard about beer" thread

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

Ha, yeah, economics is a far more interesting topic

Totally agree.

 

[Varmintman]

I am just happy to see this thread still going. 29 more posts to hit 200. Come on guys I KNOW a bunch of you hate AB enough to fill 200 pages

 

[Proboscidea]

There's also the cost of equipment. Making super-strong batches initially, and then watering them down at bottling, means fewer kettles/fermenters/gizmotron doohickies to buy, house, & maintain.

(doing my part to keep it alive)

 

[cheezydemon3]

First of you should try a more friendly approach than starting off saying "you are wrong". Second you can't get yeast to ferment out to 90% abv, even the best distillers yeast doesn't go that high. You'd have to be distilling to hit 180 proof and at that point you'd have almost pure alcohol. Diluting that down to 4-5% isnt going to make the booze taste like anything close to beer, more like watery vodka. Yea I imagine their brew session are a big deal but they have all the best technology, brewers, and equipment money can buy to make it as simple and effortless as possible. On top of that their brewers are probably paid on salary not hourly. So brewing more batches is just getting AB their money's worth out of employees, not saving money on labor.

Jesus. I was over simplifying.

when someone tells you that a monkey hitting random keys will eventually type the declaration of independance is your first thought "monkeys don't own typewriters" ?

You are stating (I will unsimplify it) that INBEV can brew 200,000 batches for the same cost as brewing 150,000.

Again, you are wrong. Salary, paid in peanuts, I don't care, it still costs more.

 

[MotorcycleMatt]

Jesus. I was over simplifying.

when someone tells you that a monkey hitting random keys will eventually type the declaration of independance is your first thought "monkeys don't own typewriters" ?

You are stating (I will unsimplify it) that INBEV can brew 200,000 batches for the same cost as brewing 150,000.

Again, you are wrong. Salary, paid in peanuts, I don't care, it still costs more.

I think if you gave monkeys brewing equipment they could still make something better tasting than Budweiser

 

[BrewKnurd]

I agree with you, but that's why they most likely pay them on salary. That and the machinery they have kind of gives them no other jobs to do but brew and clean. So with nothing else to do, the best way for corporate to get its money's worth is to keep them brewing as much as possible. Essentially lowering opportunity cost.

Kind of strayed off from the watering down their beer debate haven't we lol.

You seem to be looking at this as "they have x brewers, so they should brew more often to get more out of those brewers". When instead, the way it works is "we should get more out of each batch, so we can only have to pay 0.75*x" brewers.

Brewing stronger beer and watering it down allows you to get more beer out of the same volume of fermenters, the same sized brew house, same number of brew days, and same number of employees. Given that all of those things cost money, you save money by brewing high gravity and watering down.

You brought up spending more money on grain per batch, but they're not spending more money on grain per barrel of finished product, which is what matters. Each batch produces more alcohol by brewing higher gravity, so that's a wash. You also mentioned extra water, but there is not extra water, you either add the water before fermentation or after. That's a wash.

 

[KeyWestBrewing]

You seem to be looking at this as "they have x brewers, so they should brew more often to get more out of those brewers". When instead, the way it works is "we should get more out of each batch, so we can only have to pay 0.75*x" brewers.

Brewing stronger beer and watering it down allows you to get more beer out of the same volume of fermenters, the same sized brew house, same number of brew days, and same number of employees. Given that all of those things cost money, you save money by brewing high gravity and watering down.

You brought up spending more money on grain per batch, but they're not spending more money on grain per barrel of finished product, which is what matters. Each batch produces more alcohol by brewing higher gravity, so that's a wash. You also mentioned extra water, but there is not extra water, you either add the water before fermentation or after. That's a wash.

When you explain it that way yes your correct and I stand corrected. Thank you for proving your point with some courtesy and explanation.

 

[Proboscidea]

"monkeys don't own typewriters"

They don't NOW.

But it is my dream to enable all monkeys to make the transition from typewriter renters to typewriter owners. Totaly untapped market IMO. Business plan coming.

 

[redshift76]

They don't NOW.

But it is my dream to enable all monkeys to make the transition from typewriter renters to typewriter owners. Totaly untapped market IMO. Business plan coming.

Almost choked...

 

[cheezydemon3]

They don't NOW.

But it is my dream to enable all monkeys to make the transition from typewriter renters to typewriter owners. Totaly untapped market IMO. Business plan coming.

You are a genius!

But what will we do with millions and millions of copies of the declaration of independance?