Double IPA Lawson's Finest Sip of Sunshine Clone

[crunchydoc]

One of the only downsides to the Conan yeast is the low flocculation. I guess that is why they can everything Mine was cloudy out of the keg for the entire 10 days it lasted. cold crashing had no real effect. The attenuation is amazing though. A lot like Pacman.

 

[jjbanks]

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: Conan
Yeast Starter: Yes - See Notes
Batch Size (Gallons): 6
Original Gravity: 1.080
Final Gravity: 1.016
IBU: 84
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
Color: 5.5 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 10 Days - 64F up to 68F
Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 10 Days @ 68F
Tasting Notes: After a month in the keg, this is very tasty and very close to the original.


11 Lbs Belgian Pale Ale Malt
3 Lbs Vienna Malt
1 Lbs Oat Flakes
12 oz. Carapils
4 oz. Carared
4 oz. Caramunich (Type I)
1 Lbs Corn Sugar (added at 10mins)

Mash @ 152F for 60 mins

1.5 oz Columbus @ 60
1.0 oz Citra @ 20
3.0 oz Citra @ 5
3.0 oz Citra @ Whirlpool/Hopstand @ 180F for 30 mins

3.0 oz Citra @ Dry Hop (in two installments)

- Yeast starter from 1 vial of Conan containing ~30B cells. 250ml -> 1000ml -> decant -> 1000ml

- Cooled wort to 63F after boil and pitched decanted starter. Increase temp 1F per day up to 68F.
- After 10 days, lower temp to 60F for 24 hrs.
- Purge secondary vessel with CO2, rack onto half of dry hops, allow temp to rise to 68F.
- At day 14, add the rest of the dry hops.
- At day 18, rack to keg.
- Attempt to wait patiently for 2 weeks until sampling.

Water profile:
Ca - 142ppm
Mg - 26ppm
Na- 15ppm
SO4 - 305ppm
Cl - 80ppm

Would you still drop the temp to 60 degrees after fermentation for 24 hours if you are eventually bottling using priming sugar?

 

[carvetop]

Would you still drop the temp to 60 degrees after fermentation for 24 hours if you are eventually bottling using priming sugar?

You could certainly skip this step if you'd like. However, there will still be plenty of yeast in suspension for bottle conditioning/carbing if you stick to the directions.

 

[Dextersmom]

Update: Kegged and slow carbing at this point. Once I finish the keg of two roads honey spot i'm currently working on this will be officially tested. Hopefully I can get my hands on some at the store as well so I can do a side by side comparison.

Nailed the FG...I've never done that before lol! My OG was slightly off in the beginning but after doing some research, it may have been due to temperature difference and might have been on point in reality.

Color i'm not quite sure of but will be able to tell in side by side comparison.

Tasted young when i decanted what was left in the bottom of the car boy...and a little "too" hoppy but that was probably due to everything on the bottom. Very excited to try the end result in a few weeks!

 

[ultravista]

How hoppy is this beer compared to Pliny?

 

[gotbags-10]

Is whirlfloc or Irish moss used in this? Would it help the cloudiness?

 

[nathan33]

in my experience conan yeast makes a cloudy beer......

I plan to brew this up today....I don't have carared..would it be better to just use 8 ounce caramunich or 4 and some light crystal or melanoiden

 

[carvetop]

I use whirlfloc and keg with gelatin. Crystal clear.

 

[carvetop]

in my experience conan yeast makes a cloudy beer......

I plan to brew this up today....I don't have carared..would it be better to just use 8 ounce caramunich or 4 and some light crystal or melanoiden

The mix I used was mostly for color. I'll check my notes to see what L the carared and caramunich were.

 

[nathan33]

Brewed it with 5 ounce caramunich all I had on hand and 3 ounce melanoiden so shouldn't affect it too much. Can't wait for it to be in the keg

 

[SkinnyPete]

Just got all ingredients, including Conan. I'm definitely a little confused at the OG though. An OG of 1.080ish and with the high attenuation of Conan is going to get you about 9.1% ABV, not 8%. Plugging into BeerSmith at 75% efficiency, I'm getting a 1.082 OG, which seems a bit high since we know Sip of Sunshine is 8%. I'm going to knock the grain bill down, trying not to greatly affect color, and adjust the bittering addition down to compensate, to get it to around 1.074 OG. But otherwise brewing it as is this weekend.

Question for the OP, where did this recipe come from? Just your shot at a clone or is it based on something? Someone else mentioned the BYO version of this recipe, but I've been a subscriber for years and can only find the DOUBLE Sunshine clone, not Sip of Sunshine. I'd love to know the BYO issue if I'm just missing it somewhere. Thanks for the recipe and I'll post back how it comes out. Headed to VT in 3 weeks so I should have some fresh cans to do a side by side.

 

[carvetop]

Just got all ingredients, including Conan. I'm definitely a little confused at the OG though. An OG of 1.080ish and with the high attenuation of Conan is going to get you about 9.1% ABV, not 8%. Plugging into BeerSmith at 75% efficiency, I'm getting a 1.082 OG, which seems a bit high since we know Sip of Sunshine is 8%. I'm going to knock the grain bill down, trying not to greatly affect color, and adjust the bittering addition down to compensate, to get it to around 1.074 OG. But otherwise brewing it as is this weekend.

Question for the OP, where did this recipe come from? Just your shot at a clone or is it based on something? Someone else mentioned the BYO version of this recipe, but I've been a subscriber for years and can only find the DOUBLE Sunshine clone, not Sip of Sunshine. I'd love to know the BYO issue if I'm just missing it somewhere. Thanks for the recipe and I'll post back how it comes out. Headed to VT in 3 weeks so I should have some fresh cans to do a side by side.

This grain bill usually gets me to 1.075ish but the numbers reported were from an earlier batch which came out a little "hot". This recipe is based on the Double Sunshine Clone from BYO. After making that several times and trying both Double Sunshine and Sip of Sunshine, I began to tweak it slightly to come up with something I thought was closer to Sip of Sunshine. I think the brew comes out VERY close to SoS draft. The canned version, for whatever reason, is noticeably better IMO.

 

[JPeir]

Thanks very much for sharing this recipe! I started this last night and it is bubbling away. Has anyone brewed this but kept the beer in the primary fermenter for the 20 days with no secondary? I tend to keep all my ales in the primary with no secondary but I don't want to mess this one up. Appreciate the help!

 

[jjbanks]

Thanks very much for sharing this recipe! I started this last night and it is bubbling away. Has anyone brewed this but kept the beer in the primary fermenter for the 20 days with no secondary? I tend to keep all my ales in the primary with no secondary but I don't want to mess this one up. Appreciate the help!

I kept mine in the primary throughout. I think it was 19 days before bottling. Seemed to taste great. I will sample in a week.

 

[tdexterc]

Hey guys, I contacted Lawson's about the yeast used and it is not Conan. Apparently it's straight up American ale yeast! Cheers!

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[carvetop]

Hey guys, I contacted Lawson's about the yeast used and it is not Conan. Apparently it's straight up American ale yeast! Cheers!

Thanks for investigating that. Conan makes such a tasty IPA though! I can't stop using it!

 

[tdexterc]

I can't blame you one bit. One of my go-to's!

 

[TomTwanks]

I brewed this saturday with 2 row instead and 10# instead of 11#. Its bubbling away (with us05) as we speak quite nicely. Ended up with an OG = 1.084 but only 5.3 gallons or so with some trub included (not all). I will report back with the results in about a month! Also, I was planning on dry hopping in the primary. Anyone else do this? Have had favorable experiences in the past just didnt feel like the secondary is neccessary for this?

 

[carvetop]

I brewed this saturday with 2 row instead and 10# instead of 11#. Its bubbling away (with us05) as we speak quite nicely. Ended up with an OG = 1.084 but only 5.3 gallons or so with some trub included (not all). I will report back with the results in about a month! Also, I was planning on dry hopping in the primary. Anyone else do this? Have had favorable experiences in the past just didnt feel like the secondary is neccessary for this?

Yes, I generally add dry hops into primary. No worries there.

 

[tdexterc]

Same here

 

[ultravista]

subscribing

 

[JPeir]

I did two batches. 1 in the primary for 20 days and one moved to a secondary after 10 where I dry hopped for another 10 days as suggested. Both were good but the one that I moved to the secondary was significantly better with a really nice finish. The brew I left in the primary was still good but has a very bitter finish. Almost a grape fruit flavor. This was my first all grain attempt and it is the best beer I have made to date!!

 

[crunchydoc]

How hoppy is this beer compared to Pliny?

less hoppy. more citrusy and less danky. Have them both on tap.

 

[Dextersmom]

So its been a while...My sunshine has been complete. In the end its a really good IPA but I wouldn't call it "american IPA" and its definitely not sunshine. Its much more caramely in color and there is a sweetness to it. Mouth feel feels heavier and doesn't "dance around" (as i like to explain it) the way that SoS does.

I made the extract recipe and even substituted some of the light extract for extra light because I do half boils. I'm thinking about trying this again this weekend, and changing some things around. What I'm going to change, I'm not sure yet but I'm definitely going to start with using all extra light dme. Probably do a late malt addition to keep caramelization to minimum. Issue with that is how much that will mess with hop utilization (i've always been foggy on that).

I've attached a picture of a small sample....didn't want a whole glass cuz i've been trying not to drink mid week lately lol.

Leme know what you guys think.

 

[Zrab11]

Anyone bottle this? How much priming sugar did u use?

 

[JPeir]

I used 6oz of Priming Sugar. I was very happy with the results.

 

[Zrab11]

I used 6oz of Priming Sugar. I was very happy with the results.

6oz for 5gal?

 

[Dextersmom]

I've almost always done the 3/4 cup for any brew. Now I'm kegging tho and did this one the low and slow way up to about 12-14 psi.

 

[JPeir]

6oz for 5gal?

6 Gallons. I did make a 5 gallon batch a week later and used 5oz.

 

[mtnagel]

While I've never had this beer, from what friends that have had it tell me, I'm sure I'd love it. And now that I see the recipe, I'm sure I would. It's pretty similar to the Surly Abrasive clone (which is one of my favorite beers). Mostly all citra, similar grain bill. In fact, even though the Abrasive clone uses all citra even for bittering, I used hop extract for bittering in my version and I've heard that it's most likely from Columbus hops, so my recipe is even closer to this one. And it's a bit young, but so far, my Abrasive clone is awesome.