I know that there is lots of info out there on graff and that Brandon O has a popular recipe and long thread on the subject, which I have read through. After looking at his info I decided to brew a malty cider but I did not want the extra gain flavors he added or the bitterness from the hops so I only used dark DME and apple juice along with a little malic acid. The must/wort tasted fantastic and think this is going to be a really good cider but I am wondering if it is still a graff since I only used DME and none of the other beer type components. I tried to find a strict definition by doing a yahoo search but the best I was able to come up with was: "Graff: A word that means an alcoholic beverage that is a cross between hard cider and beer" so is what I made graff? any further input would be fantastic.