Specialty IPA: Red IPA India Red Ale

[TimBrewz]

Finally got this beer in the keg. This beer is soooo good!! if you are on the fence or have it on the schedule to brew later, you have to brew it now. This is one of the beers I have brewed that I would take over almost any commercial red/IRA beer I've tried (and i live in Portland, OR, home of some good hoppy red ales). Great recipe!

Awesome!

 

[SoupNazi]

Finally got this beer in the keg. This beer is soooo good!! if you are on the fence or have it on the schedule to brew later, you have to brew it now. This is one of the beers I have brewed that I would take over almost any commercial red/IRA beer I've tried (and i live in Portland, OR, home of some good hoppy red ales). Great recipe!

Agreed! Going to brew this for the third time soon. Swmbo requested this recipe for her birthday and ended up killing a corny in a couple of hours.

 

[Malty_Dog]

Planning a half batch of the Mosher recipe as my first all-grain BIAB. Wondering about Mosher's choice of hops vs the OP's Simcoe/Amarillo/Cascade combo, sans the dry hop. I want something like the original but a little extra hop kick would also be welcome. Any thoughts on how it might turn out w/o the dry hopping vs Mosher's original? Or should I just go for it? Also planning to use rewashed Wyeast 1332 (Northwest Ale) - sound OK?

 

[TimBrewz]

You may the first to brew this BIAB, cool to hear how it comes out.
I just do not like Goldings very much, so I have not actually brewed the original.
I suppose you could add Cascade as the 5 minute hops instead of the Goldings, and get an extra American style hop kick.
I can't recall if the original is dryhopped? You can get decent aroma from late additions, and you may want to whirlpool the late addition hops at around 190 f for 10-20 minutes before chilling to pull out more aroma.

If you are using 1332 I would mash closer to 150f, as that yeast is not very attenuative. Also, as far as I can remember, the yeast is more malty than hoppy, so if you want a more hop-forward beer you might want to increase the hops a bit or use american ale yeast.

Cheers,

Tim

 

[Malty_Dog]

Thanks TimBrewz - great input to help a relative noob. I will surely give feedback on the BIAB version. Original was not dry-hopped, just 2oz Cascade @60, @30, and 2oz Goldings @5. Guess I was not sure if the higher AA Simcoe and Amarillo would have any major impact. Being a half batch, I was going to go with 3 1oz hop additions...maybe Cascade for all 3? I like the whirlpooling @190 idea - neat stuff. Thanks about the yeast also. May just use US-05. Love the thread, am determined to make this great beer!

 

[TimBrewz]

Happy to help
Cascade for all additions would be good, 1 oz each would give you around 100 IBU (depending on the AA of your cascades-mine are 8.2% this year) so you may want to plug your hops into a brewing calculator to hit the 70 IBU range.
S-05 yeast does well in this beer. Good choice.

Best brewing!
Tim

 

[BassBeer]

Brewed 10 gallons of this yesterday, but modified the recipe to reflect the hops I had in the freezer. Man, what a fun brew, and my first 10 gallon batch! Went smoothly for the most part. I have a couple questions though:

1. I boiled for 75 minutes instead of 90, but hit my OG dead on. I assume I'll just have a less caramelly, slightly lighter final product?
2. I stirred the mash a little too long and ended up closer to 151 for my rest. How do you think this will affect the malt character of the beer? I'm hoping it still comes out with some complexity and decent mouthfeel. Not looking for sweet though.
3. I used C-120 instead of 90, at about 5.5 oz. per 5 gallons. Does this sound about right, or too much/not enough?
4. What do you think about the hop schedule and varieties? I also did a 30 minute hop stand @ 170 to pull out more flavor/aroma.

Thanks for the input (and the awesome recipe)!

Here's what I ended up with (10 gallons):

India Red Ale

Style: American Amber Ale
Type: All Grain Calories: 215
Rating: 0.0 Boil Size: 11.32 Gal
IBU's: 75.39 Batch Size: 10.25 Gal
Color: 16.8 SRM Boil Time: 75 minutes
Preboil OG: 1.063
Estimated Actual
Brew Date: - 04/02/2013
OG: 1.066 1.066
FG: 1.016 1.016
ABV: 6.55 % 6.55 %
Efficiency: 78 % 78 %
Serve Date: 04/23/2013 / /

Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp Estimated Actual
Primary 21 days @ 64.0°F 04/02/2013 04/02/2013

Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
13.00 lbs 51.34 % Briess 2-Row Pale Ale Malt 60 mins 1.037
10.00 lbs 39.49 % Briess Munich 10L 60 mins 1.035
1.50 lbs 5.92 % Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L 60 mins 1.034
0.70 lbs 2.76 % Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L 60 mins 1.033
0.12 lbs 0.47 % Black (Patent) Malt 60 mins 1.025

Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
2.00 ozs 39.15 Nugget 60 mins 13.00
1.25 ozs 14.82 Nugget 20 mins 13.00
1.00 ozs 9.72 Chinook 15 mins 13.00
2.00 ozs 7.71 Columbus (Tomahawk) 8 mins 8.50
2.50 ozs 3.98 Cascade 3 mins 8.50
2.00 ozs Cascade 7 days 5.50
2.00 ozs Columbus (Tomahawk) 7 days 14.00

Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
2.0 pkg Safale US-05 Fermentis US-05

Additions
Amount Name Time Stage
1.00 oz Whirlfloc Tablet 05 mins Boil
0.50 tsp Gypsum 15 mins Boil
0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient 15 mins Boil

Mash Profile
Sacch' Rest 60 min @ 152.0°F
Add 31.65 qt ( 1.25 qt/lb ) water @ 169.6°F
Sparge
Sparge 28.81 qt ( 0.00 qt/lb ) of 192.0°F water over 10 mins

Carbonation
Amount Type Beer Temp CO2 Vols
10.2 psi Force Carbonation 36.0°F 2.50

 

[TimBrewz]

1. Boil is fine. No worries there.
2.151 mash is also fine- standard IPA mash with some crystal malts is 150-153
3. C-120 is good in this beer. Will add a little "raisiny " character.
4. The hops are pretty heavy herbal ones, especially the Nugget and Columbus. Will be good to hear how this comes out. The Chinook should impart a bit of pine. You might want to dry hop with a bit less Columbus if the beer seems too earthy/herbal at end of primary. Maybe sub some Chinook?

Glad the brew day went well,

Keep us posted!

Cheers, Tim

 

[BassBeer]

Thanks Tim, I was thinking the same about the dry hop. Since I have 2 separate fermenters I think I'll try one with the Cascade/Columbus blend and one with Citra. Any idea about how Citra would blend with the other hops, and the ideal amount? Haven't used it yet. Thanks again!

 

[DustBow]

Going to use this grainbill again this weekend. I want to use some of my Mosaic hop stash, not sure whether to pair it with some something different like Simcoe or go ahead with some Citra and/or Galaxy to try a "hop fruit bomb"

 

[TimBrewz]

Citra would be very good, I think.

Thanks Tim, I was thinking the same about the dry hop. Since I have 2 separate fermenters I think I'll try one with the Cascade/Columbus blend and one with Citra. Any idea about how Citra would blend with the other hops, and the ideal amount? Haven't used it yet. Thanks again!

 

[TimBrewz]

I just bought my first Mosaic hops-they smell amazing.I could pick up the Simcoe heritage in the aroma-but certainly not the same as Simcoe. I want to hear how this goes. I think either combo would be great.

Going to use this grainbill again this weekend. I want to use some of my Mosaic hop stash, not sure whether to pair it with some something different like Simcoe or go ahead with some Citra and/or Galaxy to try a "hop fruit bomb"

 

[DustBow]

I just bought my first Mosaic hops-they smell amazing.I could pick up the Simcoe heritage in the aroma-but certainly not the same as Simcoe. I want to hear how this goes. I think either combo would be great.

Decided on Simcoe - thinking a 2:1 ratio of Mosaic to Simcoe, with additions at 15, 10, 5 and whirlpool/steep.

Brewing this weekend, will report back in 4-6 weeks...

"I hate waiting" - Inigo Montoya
"The waiting is the hardest part" - Tom Petty

 

[wdicks]

How much water did you use for striking, and what temperature was it?

 

[wdicks]

What was the grain temperature?

 

[SilverZero]

How much water did you use for striking, and what temperature was it?

What was the grain temperature?

I always hit my numbers using these:

http://www.brew365.com/mash_sparge_water_calculator.php

http://www.rackers.org/calcs.shtml

 

[TimBrewz]

I use .3 gallons water per pound of grain. Since the temperature of my grain changes (I keep in garage), I use similar calculators as shown by SilverZero. So with 13 lbs grain/.3 is 3.9 gallons water. Usually I heat to 170, keep some boiling and cold water handy and then just mix in the grains checking the temp as I go and add extra hot or cold water to hit my target. I am usually very close to 152-3 without using any extra hot/cold water.

 

[BassBeer]

Just dry hopped 5 gal with Cascade/Columbus/Citra, and another 5 gal with Cascade/Columbus/Simcoe. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

 

[zaphro]

Damn it Tim. Just cracked my first bottle brewed on 4/8. Subed nugget for bittering cause I only had an ounce of Simcoe, and added the other half ounce at flame out. It's good. Best beer I have made. Except due to wort loss with the hops this is my only bottle, as the rest are for my groomsmen next Friday. All this tasty goodness and I can't touch it.

 

[TimBrewz]

Damn it Tim. Just cracked my first bottle brewed on 4/8. Subed nugget for bittering cause I only had an ounce of Simcoe, and added the other half ounce at flame out. It's good. Best beer I have made. Except due to wort loss with the hops this is my only bottle, as the rest are for my groomsmen next Friday. All this tasty goodness and I can't touch it.

Congrats on the pending nuptials! Glad you like the beer. Did you add Nugget or Simcoe at flame out?

Cheers,
Tim

 

[DustBow]

I just bought my first Mosaic hops-they smell amazing.I could pick up the Simcoe heritage in the aroma-but certainly not the same as Simcoe. I want to hear how this goes. I think either combo would be great.

Decided on Simcoe - thinking a 2:1 ratio of Mosaic to Simcoe, with additions at 15, 10, 5 and whirlpool/steep.

Brewing this weekend, will report back in 4-6 weeks...

"I hate waiting" - Inigo Montoya
"The waiting is the hardest part" - Tom Petty

It's only been on gas about a week and a half but this is gonna be a good one. I purosely didn't dryhop because I wanted to see how the hop stand worked.
I slightly tweaked the grian bill (don't we all tweak the crystal a bit every time? ) and the hop additions were like this:

1 oz Warrior - FWH
.25 oz Simcoe & .50 oz Mosaic at 15 - 10 - 5
.75 oz Simcoe & 1.5 oz Mosaic hop stand at 160* for 15 minutes.

Like I said, still pretty young at this point but I'm loving the hop flavor and I think the malt will balance even more over time. The Mosaic just cuts right through IMO, it's becoming my favorite hop.
Will try to remember to update as the keg ages a bit - hopefully it doesn't kick too quickly

 

[TimBrewz]

It's only been on gas about a week and a half but this is gonna be a good one. I purosely didn't dryhop because I wanted to see how the hop stand worked.
I slightly tweaked the grian bill (don't we all tweak the crystal a bit every time? ) and the hop additions were like this:

1 oz Warrior - FWH
.25 oz Simcoe & .50 oz Mosaic at 15 - 10 - 5
.75 oz Simcoe & 1.5 oz Mosaic hop stand at 160* for 15 minutes.

Like I said, still pretty young at this point but I'm loving the hop flavor and I think the malt will balance even more over time. The Mosaic just cuts right through IMO, it's becoming my favorite hop.
Will try to remember to update as the keg ages a bit - hopefully it doesn't kick too quickly

My Mosaic/Maris Otter SMaSH is super good. Such an interesting mix of aromas and flavors. Looking forward to trying Mosaic in the IRA next time.

 

[jfrank85]

Just finished drinking the last bottles of this brew. It has been a real hit with everyone who has tasted it.

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
11.00 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent 1 -
3.00 g Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 2 -
3.00 g Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 3 -
2.00 g Baking Soda (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 4 -
1.00 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 5 -
10 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 6 71.4 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 7 7.1 %
1 lbs Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 8 7.1 %
1 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 9 7.1 %
8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 10 3.6 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 11 3.6 %
1.00 oz Horizon [12.00 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 12 39.5 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 13 20.4 IBUs
0.50 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 14 -
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 15 6.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 16 1.4 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Aroma Steep 25.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.5 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 18 -
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs

Mineral additions added to RO/DI water.
ABV 7.2%
IBU 68
SRM 14

 

[jwolf99]

I'm going to do the extract version of this next weekend with 5.25 lbs Light LME and 4 lbs Amber LME. Should I steep the specialty grains for only 20-30 mins like most of the LHBS extract kits call for or is a full 60 minute steep needed?

 

[jfrank85]

I'm going to do the extract version of this next weekend with 5.25 lbs Light LME and 4 lbs Amber LME. Should I steep the specialty grains for only 20-30 mins like most of the LHBS extract kits call for or is a full 60 minute steep needed?

Since you're really not trying to convert sugars a 20-30 should be fine IMO. The longer you go the harder it might be to maintain a constant temp.

 

[jwolf99]

That's what I figured.

Thanks.

 

[zaphro]

Congrats on the pending nuptials! Glad you like the beer. Did you add Nugget or Simcoe at flame out?

Cheers,
Tim

First wort hoped with Nugget. Half oz of Simcoe at Flame out and the other half dry hoped. Had them in the grooms room for the wedding the six of them killed all but a six pack before the ceremony started. I was glad none of them went down. Made for some interesting speeches though.

But everyone agreed it was my best beer ever. The guy who drank my 99 cent juice wine in high school was really impressed.

 

[D_Nyholm]

Putting this on my list of must brew. Looks like I should get to it by the end of the summer so it will have to be an autumn IPA.

 

[DustBow]

Follow up on my Mosaic & Simcoe version, it was probably the best beer I've ever made, everyone loved it. Keg kicked last night.
Gonna have to use my buddy's system to brew a bigger batch next time

 

[jwolf99]

Just racked to secondary tonight. This smells sooooo good.