I'm sorry sir you've had too much...

[Trail]

Fault is not exclusive. Again, you could have drank as much as you wanted at home with zero oversight. Again, drinking seven beers before you go home is not OK even if the beer is 4%. The fact that the bartender let you break the law is immaterial.

To wit, the reason nobody is worked up over the bartender is because he's the only one in the equation who got what he deserved. The law is indeed the law, but it is not morality.

Someone needs to move this to the debate forum before I get banned, and so that CCBrewer has to pony up to keep arguing that he's not a scumbag.

 

[mikescooling]

If you talk with someone for about 30sec, you can get a feel for how much they have had. In my younger years I bounced in a biker bar, you could see how someone was growing to the point of a fight breaking out. They would often be relieved to be removed from the situation (usually over a women). I think people were less violent back then, less likely to stab or shoot me. Anyway, some people can drink straight whiskey all night without problem, others get squirrely after just a few.

 

[E_Marquez]

This is actually kind of funny..

See, you continue to show a complete lack of personal responsibility.

There is nothing funny about your driving drunk,,, Nothing funny about you drinking to excess in public and then blaming your lack of moral, ethical behavior as a fault of anyone but YOU.

 

[geckholm]

I agree the bartender screwed the pooch royally, but nothing outweighs personal responsibility. And I too find it passing strange that he and the bar got nailed, but you didn't. My dad never tried to discourage me from drinking. But he pounded two things into me: 1. Remember: it's never the liquor talking; it's always you. 2. You are responsible for your own actions, drunk or sober. add: I understand that in Japan, a couple of murderers are appealing their convictions on the grounds that because they were too drunk to know what they were doing, they can't be held responsible. I don't think they'll get very far with that argument, but you never can tell... this is no longer the world my dad raised me in. For better and for worse, it keeps changing.

I HATE it when people using being drunk as an excuse for saying or doing something stupid. Don't drink so much if it makes you do stupid things.

 

[Hello]

To the OP, I would be embarrassed as well but equally amused that the apology to trying to cut me off was more beer. I find after any activity where I exert myself for hours I tend to feel the effects of alcohol faster. Maybe not a week after, but certainly up to a day after at best.

I don't mind if I am ever cut off but I would still be embarrassed because I'm an adult and I think I should know my limits. There are laws and bartenders aren't going to risk their livelihood on my ass. On the other hand, if I don't show enough signs of being drunk and I get in a car, that's all on me. I would never point the finger back to the bar/restaurant and say the bartender should have cut me off. I am an overly accountable person though, to a fault. It works for me, most days.

 

[jonmohno]

Switching gears here:

24 hours of running? Wow!? I was doing 10k runs without realizing or knowing it weekly. Im 40 though now and its starting to show. Seen that there was a local 5,10k and half marathon race. So I pushed myself farther.So decided to see what I was actually running, so by 1 hr 20 min and going extra mile or two I was barely doing that much more over 10k and by about the last 5 minutes my knee started getting jacked up. So much for pushing myself farther and longer.Now I couldnt even enter for the 10k without knowing Id halve to start walking half way through or sooner-so I decided not to enter at all. STicking to biking and walking for the rest of the year now. Hopfully Ill be able to run my regular runs next spring.

As far as the wobbly knees. I would have laughed the bartenter off too. It was cool he was trying to do his job and even better apologizing and getting you a couple beers.

 

[brew_ny]

Well, ProfSudz since you are unaware of server seller laws, I will let you know the server is responsible as well as the establishment.

Since I wrecked my car less than a block from the bar (which I was found awake and sitting on the curb), the video tape of the bar showed how many drinks I had been served in the hour prior to leaving, and that number was 4 before I closed my tab, one as I closed my tab, and one before I left. I was never offered water to rehydrate, nor anything other than "what would you like to try next".

Including a "free" double dead guy, "for the road" after I had paid, and seconds from walking out the door...

Yes they were at fault.

I was new to craft brews and had no idea nor was I told of the alcohol content of the beer I was intaking.

There was no markings, I asked how it compared to my usual beer and was told it was about the same.




There IS a problem with that, if you can not see that, then it is your moral set that should be evaluated.

I maybe dumb but how does a bar/bartender get burned for you smashing your car and you do not get a drunk driving charge?

if you were not charged with drunk driving then how could the bar be at fault for your car crash?

and if it is because of some video of you drinking alcohol then going to your car and driving, then why didn't the same video get you a dwi/dui?

all the best

S_M

 

[unionrdr]

I don't understand why some people get beligerant when they drink. I drink to relax & enjoy my beers. Easpecially after a long week at work back then. Now it's more like a long day of working on the car or in the brewery. I won't drink till my day is done. kind of a reward for git-n-r done.

 

[E_Marquez]

73 bars in south Tx were cited for selling to an intoxicated person.

I wounder if they know this individual is telling the world he got away with drunk driving and endangering the public, even though the bar was supposedly hammered (pun intended)

TABC site has a GREAT search program....... names and address of each of those site bars, the owners...

 

[E_Marquez]

To get back to the OP.

No, never been cut off, but I don't really go to bars anymore... and never drove when i did.

Yes I'be be a little pissed if I was cut off and an public announcement was made.. though it's a two edged sword.. If I was hammered,, then i deserved to be called out....If I was not intoxicated, but just tripped over a coaster on the ground... then I'd be pissed...and just vote with me cash..Leave and tell others about my experience.

 

[Brewtah]

I have never had that happen, and then one night after 2 rogue double dead guys and a few other drinks I closed my tab and left.

That night I crashed my car.


Bartenders who do not cut people off, ARE held accountable, and should exercise their right and not only on those who "look wobbly".

I can hold my liquor and beer, but what I had that night kicked my a$$.

Yes I was fine, yes the bartender lost his/her (not im not saying who or what city/bar, not my home town) license and was fined/fired.

I did not receive a citation. I also no longer EVER take a sip at a bar and drive.

I homebrew and snooze it off on the couch.

So let me get this straight. You drank too much, left the bar and crashed your car. No police officers showed up to give you a DUI? So that tells me, you crashed your car either had it towed or driven home some how. Then in your ultimate wisdom decided to tell authorities about the bar or sued for damages to your car?

 

[jonmohno]

I maybe dumb but how does a bar/bartender get burned for you smashing your car and you do not get a drunk driving charge?

if you were not charged with drunk driving then how could the bar be at fault for your car crash?

and if it is because of some video of you drinking alcohol then going to your car and driving, then why didn't the same video get you a dwi/dui?

all the best

S_M

Good lawyers$$ ? Good lyers,I mean..cough,cough.

 

[amfukuda]

One of my sisters friends turned twenty one a few years ago and was ridiculously over served to the point where she almost fell down a flight of stairs. So I asked a bouncer to cut her off. The girls got mad at me but the next day she thanked me

 

[Rhumbline]

I've been cut off a couple times, always at bars where I was a regular. Stopped drinking in bars so that doesn't happen now.

As for CCBrewer, it's clear that the bar was legally at fault, but that does nothing to diminish your responsibility. If you've learned a lesson from this and no longer drink and drive, that's good news. But just because the legal system gave you a pass doesn't mean society will.

 

[andvari7]

One New Year's Day, my brother and I were at a bar in Madison, where I tripped over a stool that was in front of the door, while on my way back from the bathroom. It was dark, and a sober person would have tripped. I was politely asked to leave, at which point I had to restrain myself, before becoming uncontrollably belligerent. Took a cab home, slept it off, and watched the Badgers get royally shellacked at the Bowl game.

I've never been thrown out of a bar since. It helps not to go to bars often enough to do anything too stupid.

 

[the_bird]

I *vaguely* remember getting cut off in a bar in Brattleboro with Glibbidy, Kai, Hippie, olllllllllllllllllllllllllllo, and a whole bunch of other HBT'ers several years back. I blame Kai; he's a silly, silly drunk, which you'd never guess when he's giving some serious lecture on water chemistry with James Spencer. I don't remember a whole lot about that night other that it was a helluva good time and that's the only time I've been cut off in a bar.

 

[Nohup]

Going to an after-work happy hour one time at a new bar. I was a little late getting out of the office, and the party had already started when I got there.
The bar area was pitch black, and had a row of tables right in front of the entryway. Anyway, I tripped over a one of the chairs, sent it flying across the concrete floor, and went down on my can. While bumping a table getting back to my feet, one of my a****** friends yells out "Woops, time to cut him off".
The waitress apparently agreed, and I was told they couldn't serve an already intoxicated person...

Well, the table blew up laughing, and the waitress was starting to look a little uncertain (I don't think she'd ever had to cut someone off before).

I gave my winningest smile, and in a crisp, clear voice, ordered an ice tea and something to eat.

After an hour or so, it was pretty clear that I hadn't had a thing to drink that day, so she asked if I wanted something.
"No ma'am! overserving is a serious problem, and I wouldn't think of asking you to go against your better judgement."

All they had was BMC on tap anyway, the iced tea was less watered down.

Gave her a good tip when she had to close out; and got a great story out of the whole affair.

 

[troy2000]

On reflection, I think some of us (including me) have probably been a little hard on CCBrewer. He says he stopped drinking and driving after his wreck, and that's accepting responsibility for his own actions in a big way.

 

[BigJack]

After reading through the thread, I see one poster saying "hey, I screwed up and now I don't drink and drive because I see how wrong it is" followed by a bunch of other people telling him that he is immoral and terrible.

Hey, dude made a mistake. He shouldn't have. He has amended his ways.

I agree that in a perfect world, he would have faced a legal penalty. He didn't. So, seeing that he got away with one, he changed his ways. He can't go back in time and undo what he did. He can't go back in time and make the cop arrest him. All he can do is not repeat the offense, which he has said clearly he will never do again.

It must be nice to have never made a mistake. I'm so glad HBT is full of perfect souls who have never made a mistake. It's uplifting to be in such inspiring company.

 

[passedpawn]

We've all made mistakes, been caught and/or learned a valuable lesson, and grown from the experience. That's how we grow from child to man, and from man to wise man. (woman too).

It would be nice if we just listened to the advice of our elders and always did the right thing. That just isn't reality.

So, let's shut down this thread and hope that someone might take a lesson away from it: a cautionary tale. I want to sincerely thank anyone who posted in this thread. No matter how much you were chastised, know that others will learn from it and potentially be served by the lesson.