I'm sorry, but come ON!

[Evan!]

My political affiliation is not of this earth (ibtl2)

I'm voting the Monty Brewster ticket. None of the Above.

 

[DeathBrewer]

monty brewster ticket, nice. i'm an independent....leaning to libertarian if anything at all.

 

[Evan!]

Same here. Independent/libertarian (small "L" libertarian). But I did vote for Jim Webb in this past election because George Allen was about as bad as it gets.

 

[Reverend JC]

I am not saying GWB is perfect or any of the R candidates coming up are, but i have heard that Clinton and Obama have said they wanted to get rid of GWBs tax cuts to people that end in 2010. That would mean extra money out of my pocket, and truthfully, that is all i care about, my pocket. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative, i guess that makes me a moderate, but if it is between social liberties that really dont affect me or my pocket book, i vote my pocket book every time.

I guess that makes me a moderate A$$hole. I am fine with that.

 

[kornkob]

It's amazing how our government doesn't seem to think that rehabilitation is important. our jails make people into worse criminals, our welfare system doesn't help get people back on our feet, and our mentally handicapped are forced into the street instead of getting the treatment they need. ahh, america.

It's not that it doesn't think it is important--- it's that the prision system isn't about justice anymore: it's big business. The companies providing supplies and services to the prison system are more than happy to help lobby for 'tougher' laws and agaisnt any of that 'coddling' of prisoners--- like basic education and drug treatment.

 

[Ryanh1801]

It's comments like this that are most frightening and very short sighted. The fact that you believe this is true is scary.

And before you argue, remember that it was Bush who sent them there in the first place unprepared, underfunded, and without a plan whatsoever.

Can you even imagine what those billions and billions of dollars could have been used for? Instead, we have a war without an ending that is costing billions and billions of dollars.

Yeah it would have been nice if things worked out different but, guess what they didn't. Fact is we had a job to do over in Iraq and we stood up to it. Bush is not the one that made this was happen Saddam did. You want to go and tell my friends that are over there right now as I type fighting that they are fighting unprepared/ with out a plan. I bet they would beg to differ. Wars take time, and we will win in Iraq. No one ever said it was going to be easy.
<Trying to stay civil.

 

[Pumbaa]

YWars take time, and we will win in Iraq. No one ever said it was going to be easy.
<Trying to stay civil.

The only way to win in Iraq is to quit acting like a bunch of 1960 p*ssys and get the job done. A war that is fought with your hands tied is a war lost. The US has NEVER won a war that wasnt fought with the "total war" concept.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

The US has NEVER won a war that wasnt fought with the "total war" concept.

Out of curiosity, that the US's record in W-L-T?

 

[DeathBrewer]

there's nothing to "win" and although saddam was crazy dangerous dictator, he did one thing right, he kept things in check a lot better than we can. you think we're going to create a democracy over there? How are we going to do that? Let me know what the plan is, please.

i have family and friends there too. i have some that are totally into it and some that think they are fighting for nothing. A lot of people get into it over faith. faith in their country, in their god. A lot of people like to think things through. You can't make people support a war when they did not support getting into it in the first place. I'm sick of this "you're not supporting our troops" or "if you're not with us you're against us" crap. i support my family and friends and i support those that i think are doing good for our country.

I don't think it was good that we invaded iraq. i don't think pulling out now would be good for iraq (and we're definitely not going to save face ourselves) but i don't think we're going to "win the war" either. do you know who we're fighting against?

 

[Ryanh1801]

The only way to win in Iraq is to quit acting like a bunch of 1960 p*ssys and get the job done. A war that is fought with your hands tied is a war lost. The US has NEVER won a war that wasnt fought with the "total war" concept.

I agree completely. I blame this part on the media. I know a guy that was court marshaled for calling in an air strike when he was out numbered and under attack in Panama. Media was with him and reported it was over use of force. I feel bad for the guy he was an Army Ranger that wanted to stay that way until he died. IMO take the media out of the picture, let the Generals have full control and Iraq would be secure in no time.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Man, oh, man...where do I start? Dare I start?

Let's see...ALLEDGEDLY...the WTC was hit by planes commanded by people from Saudi Arabia...we attack A'stan and Iraq...wrong so far...but why did we attack I & A? Simple...oil. That's all it's about.

The US put the Taliban in power on the promise that they would allow US to run a pipeline across their country. When they reniged we attacked them under the guise that we were freeing the people from repressive leaders (as far as I can tell we have our own right here) and their women from total control. BS!!

Our Government "allowed" Hussein to rule because we thought he would attack Iran and kill a great number of them. Hell, many US companies gave and sold him the chemical agents to use against the Iranians. When the list came out it was supressed in the news because our Gov't is behind it. If anyone is interested in a copy of the article I have it. As for "Democrasizing" the Middle East...it didn't work when we put the Shah of Iran back into power in the '60s (I think it was).

Anyone remember the list of COUNTRIES who ran the OIL FOR FOOD embargo? Anyone remember who got caught? Sure, a few, Coffee Annan;s son was one of them. Is he in jail now or enjoying his money? Where's the list now? Swept under the rug. I'm sure it's guarded better than the formula to Coca-Cola. I wonder who else is on it?

You ever wonder why they print what the Prez and VP made that year and paid into taxes...but nothing about their stock holdings? The VP still makes over $100k from Halliburton every year.

Before we went into Iraq the head weapons inspector, Hans Blicker, wrote a memo stating that after the first Iraq war we went in and destroy 95% of all the chemical weapons in Iraq...hmmm, I think that translates into THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD!

I could go on...I do have a personal stake. We all have a personal stake in this. Let's ask the question...Where is Bush getting 300 BILLION $$$??? Then ask who's getting the lion's share of it?

Bush said he spends every dollar the Gov't takes in...that's been alluded to that includes Social Security. There's nothing in the coffers but IOUs.

Let's talk Anthrax...I had to find a new job because I was one of the 6 Gov employees who refused the shots and sued the Gov over its legality. It has NEVER been tested against inhalation anthrax on humans. We won our case for a couple of years. Now the shots are mandatory again.

Let's look at its history a bit. The Michigan company that produced the vaccine went under for various reasons then the Carlisle Group bought it up. That's what they do. Think about the movie "Wall Street" here.

The new CG subsidiary "Bioport" purchased the vaccine facility to be the countries SOLE PRODUCER OF THE ANTHRAX VACCINE. It's ONLY customer is the Pentagon.

At that time of its purchase the major players are Big Daddy Bush and the bin Laden families. They have been business partners for many years.

Through the media we have been told that the bin Laden family has since sold its stake in Bioport so it would not look like a conflict of interest.

(Not so) surprisingly, the $3. and change shot jumps up to over $24.00 per shot and becomes MANDATORY FOR ALL SERVICE MEMBERS (eventually).
Man, Big Daddy Bush and his cronies from his old Cabinet are making money hand over fist...

Remember the Anthrax scare we had a few years back? Anyone ever got caught? No. Do you know why? Because it was proven to be military anthrax that came from our own lab. Follow the money...me, and many others, believe whole-heartedly that it was planted by Gov't personnel.

There are more ways to "cure" the effects of anthrax than this vaccine. Even the Ciprin (sp) cost sky rocketed over night. What used to cost $20 became $600.

Follow the money...and you'll find a trail of guilty parties.

As for ANY presidential election in the US...I have two things to say. One, if "Hitlery" is nominated by the Dems then the GOP will win again. And, two, it doesn't matter if the DEMS get 100% of the vote the Electoral College can override the will of the people. That, my friend, I'm sorry to remind you, is NOT a Democracy Of the People, For the People, and By the People.

Democracy doesn't work in this country why would it elswhere? If you opened your eyes you can see that were are as Socialist as it gets. Don't believe me? We have a welfare system...that's Socialism.
Christ practiced Communism. Don't believe me? Didn't he say if you have two coatrs and your neighbor is cold to give him one? That's Communism.

To quote Robin Williams: Politics: "Poly" from the Greek meaning "many" and "ticks" meaning "blood sucking parasites".

What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One's a bottom-dwelling scum sucker and the other's a fish.

Politics is simple: An honest person could NEVER get elected into the White House.

I leave you...

 

[DeathBrewer]

lol, good rant

 

[homebrewer_99]

lol, good rant

Thanks...

 

[olllllo]

let the Generals have full control and Iraq would be secure in no time.

Which ones? The ones that were let go because they initially wanted more troops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki but were fired because they disagreed with Don Rumsfeld?

or

the ones that were put in place because they "agree" with the surge?

 

[cha ngo]

Same as it ever was.

 

[Pumbaa]

Which ones? The ones that were let go because they initially wanted more troops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki but were fired because they disagreed with Don Rumsfeld?

or

the ones that were put in place because they "agree" with the surge?

The ones that will get the job done no matter what it takes even if when they come home some thankless piece of sh*t decideds to call them murders and baby killers.

 

[olllllo]

Ah... This one then.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Ah... This one then.

The horror......the horror....

 

[Ryanh1801]

Which ones? The ones that were let go because they initially wanted more troops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki but were fired because they disagreed with Don Rumsfeld?

or

the ones that were put in place because they "agree" with the surge?

I like this guys. Its also crazy he graduated from the same high school as me and the college I go to. My point was politicians need to get out of the Generals and military leaders way, and let them do what they do best.

 

[uglygoat]

heh... even the rome fell to barbarian invasion.. the u.s. is not so special...

for me i can't get any culture that doesn't tolerate alcohol, it's that simple.

 

[Don]

Since 1967 I've always said: "Pat Paulsen for President"

Pat's campaign was based in comedy and he ran it using outright lies, double talk and unfounded attacks on his challengers. Who would have thought this style would be the method of campaigns in the future? His work on the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour earned Pat an Emmy in 1968.

It still works today almost 40 years later.

One problem ... Someone will need to find his grave, so we can dig him up!
-------------------------------------------------

Here is his stand on SEX Education

Should Sex Education Be Taught In Our Schools?
November 5, 1967

The time has come to stop whispering...THE TIME HAS COME TO STOP WHISPERING about the biggest issue facing our educational system today...an issue which must be discussed boldly...courageously and in an adult manner. I am referring of course, to the whole subject of S. E. X.

Many people today advocate the teaching of...you know what...in our public schools. A recent nationwide survey disclosed that already 40 percent of our high school boys and girls are receiving this education. However, only TWO percent are receiving it in the classroom. The remainder are learning the facts of life from more proper sources...their parents...their pastors...or Italian movies. Now, I will admit that here and there some of these courses do not work out, but what about the student who flunks the subject - what is he supposed to do - give up? We must all remember that the male-female relationship is a delicate subject fraught with gravitas in crespi beyond gorge masical and heightened inequicy...parked cars...However, it's the porous of the pines when a severe has a drop which will occasional clog in a find and slap his face.

I say too many people fail to realize how disturbing this whole subject can be when it's not presented in the right light. Ask any of our soldiers who saw Army Indoctrination Film 27F...I saw in in 1941...and I'm still a bachelor. In conclusion, I urge with every fiber of my being...let's not waste the taxpayer's money...after all, sex doesn't have to be taught - it's something most of us are born with.


Thank you,
Patrick L. Paulsen, V.P.
------------------------------------
His stand on Firearms:

Should The Use Of Firearms Be Restricted?
March 19, 1967

Many people today are suggesting that restrictions be placed on the purchase and ownership of firearms.

No one questions that these are good solid citizens which combines to this adherence. But they are grossly misguided for these tools or else they are trouble-making Communists. But we respect them...and we will fight to the death against their right to express their opinions.

First, let us define our terms. We are merely talking about simple firearms...pistols, rifles, and bazookas. So let's as not to the parges for slare all.

Secondly, I ask you what is our most cherished right since pioneer days? The right for every man, woman and child to carry a gun.

This is not a statement of kration but has a man to meetings that even a child could understand...if you are old enough to get arrested, you're old enough to carry a gun.

A gun is a necessity. Who knows when you're walking down the street and you'll spot a moose? I feel these instructions are a plot in the sporadic turn for a listing. We at the Smothers Brothers Corporation consider this a personal on our integrity. Now personally, I myself carry a gun.

DO I LOOK UNSTABLE????

Let us not be ledmess by those who would mislead us. Let no man take away our liberties.

Stand up and be counted...Let's preserve our freedom to kill.


Thank you,
Patrick L. Paulsen, V.P.

 

[Klainmeister]

Democracy doesn't work in this country why would it elswhere?

Well said, i liked your rant. I am a big Chomsky fan and wish he would get as much exposure as babble heads like Bill O'Reilly. Your rant reminded me a lot of his analysis on our history and situation, i get sick of people just using the language of our government 'representatives'. Voting is becoming more symbolic than anything else. Puppet A vs. Puppet B. Just becomes a choice of 'who is funding this guy?'

Oi, but you know what, if we all just take responsibility for our own situations then we don't even need to discuss politics. Why do we have a government anyway?

 

[homebrewer_99]

Well said, i liked your rant. I am a big Chomsky fan and wish he would get as much exposure as babble heads like Bill O'Reilly. Your rant reminded me a lot of his analysis on our history and situation, i get sick of people just using the language of our government 'representatives'. Voting is becoming more symbolic than anything else. Puppet A vs. Puppet B. Just becomes a choice of 'who is funding this guy?'

Oi, but you know what, if we all just take responsibility for our own situations then we don't even need to discuss politics. Why do we have a government anyway?

I don't know...interestingly enough...we got rid of one King George a long time ago. I, for one, think this one will go down more like America's dictator.

 

[uglygoat]

I, for one, think this one will go down more like America's dictator.

we didn't even get any cool gladiatorial games either....

 

[Yuri_Rage]

In before too late...

I like the rants so far, though! An entertaining read, for sure!

 

[Klainmeister]

we didn't even get any cool gladiatorial games either....

Yeah, why the hell can't Bush do something good like making the NFL remove their pads and have teams recruit from prisons!?

"Oh, here's the old school Liberty Shank play. That blood on the ball really makes it slippery in those laterals!" - Madden

 

[feedthebear]

I can't decide which Giuliani I like better

or

 

[Alamo_Beer]

Did Giuliani just admit to having ties to terrorist organizations?

 

[desiderata]

BTW No matter who is in office terrorism will be an issue until we kill off everyone who decides to attack us. It's that simple.

It isn't that simple. That will never happen. For as many "terrorists" (i quote it because it is a very vague term) as we capture/kill, there will be just as many who will replace them.

Fighting Terrorism is purely about extermination of those who want to exterminate us.

Terrorism is not as black and white as many would have us believe. This battle against terrorism will never end if we continue on the way we are. Here's why. We claim to be fighting to defend our culture/way of life (freedom, democracy), so we are right. They (terrorists) claim to be fighting to defend their way of life (they feel threatened by U.S. foreign policy), so they are right. Hence, neither side will "turn the other cheek", as I'm sure it is written one way or another in both sides' holy books.

Iraq IS NOT about terrorism. It's about finishing what we started back when I was over there in 1991. Saddam was a leader who needed to be removed just as Hitler, Stalin, and Idi Amin, and Pol Pot.

The problem is that we were made to believe that it was about terrorism. In retrospect, many who supported the war then, would not do so knowing what we know now.
It is unfair to even compare Saddam with Hitler. Hitler killed 6 million, Saddam killed hundreds. (these figures don't include their enemies killed in WWII and the Gulf War, respectively. But again, Hitler is far worse here.)
Speaking of the need to oust Saddam, we ignored the millions of deaths (and rising) of the genocide in Sudan, in order to invade Iraq. So, yes, you are right about terrorism not being about helping people.

IMHO it's something we should have done (while I was there) then and even if we did we would still be there (look at the 40+ year occupation of Germany).

It would certainly have been more appropriate then, but still, I think Bush Sr. was wiser for not.

 

[desiderata]

I have to say, that's pretty much my view on things right now. Being self-employed I pay about 33% of all of my income to taxes. PURE BULL****. If that goes up because of a "democrat" president, well, I might just have to call myself a conservative. Consider myself a moderate as of this day.

Kind of a selfish issue to base your vote on, dontcha think? I know govt isn't the most efficient and wastes a lot of money, but surely there are issues with more depth that would require you to consider as well before making your vote?

I mean, what if the politician wanted to increase taxes, but also wanted to use those tax increases to subsidize homebrewing?
(that's a joke )