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I have 5 new brews coming up at the end of June/Early July to fill up my kegs for the summer. I'm interested in brewing a recipe you provide.


Kettle size (size - in gallons): 10
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons): Carboy, 6.5 gallons
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: AG
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: WTHIT?
Are you able to rack to secondary?: Yes
Boil size (in gallons): Up to 9 gallons
Batch size (in gallons): Prefer 6 into fermenter
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs: Founders Centennial, Racer 5, Union Jack
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American Imperial IPAs: Ruination, Lagunitas Sucks, Maharaja
What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: >7.5%
Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: Yeast Starter
Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high): 4
Quality expectation (1-I don't care, I just want to drink, 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool, 3-pretty high, 4-I want world class): 4
Balance (1-I would rather have something more sweet than bitter, 2-I want an absolute even bitterness and sweetness, 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness, 4-blast me with bitterness and peel off my enamel): 3.5
Body (1-Thin and highly drinkable, 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy, 3-Full body, a sipper for sure): 2 I need to be able to knock back 3 a session
Malt profile (1-I want to taste a lot of different grains, 2-I want an even portrayal of malt and hops, 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters, 4-I want all hops, in my face with little to no malt character): 3

Really looking forward to this, thank you.

Here you go, let me know how it turns out for you...

http://hopville.com/recipe/1420061/imperial-ipa-recipes/cruel-unusual-punishment-6-gal-batch

Will attenuate well w/starter. The whirlpool hops will boost bitterness and aroma, but you'll still have a nice malt backbone. See second page for mash schedule and adjust the volume/ingredients depending on your boiloff rate.
 
Kettle size (size - in gallons): 20 Gallon
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons?): 14.5 Conical
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: AG
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: No
Are you able to rack to secondary?: Yes
Boil size (in gallons): 12'ish
Batch size (in gallons): 10'ish

List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs: Union Jack, Ruination, Lagunitas

What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: Mash tun maxes out at 28lbs

Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: 1056, have a ton of it.

Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high): 3

Quality expectation: 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool

Balance: 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness

Body: 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy

Malt profile: 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters
 
Kettle size (size - in gallons): 20 Gallon
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons?): 14.5 Conical
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: AG
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: No
Are you able to rack to secondary?: Yes
Boil size (in gallons): 12'ish
Batch size (in gallons): 10'ish

List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs: Union Jack, Ruination, Lagunitas

What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: Mash tun maxes out at 28lbs

Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: 1056, have a ton of it.

Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high): 3

Quality expectation: 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool

Balance: 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness

Body: 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy

Malt profile: 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters

Here you go, use a big nasty starter for this one:

http://hopville.com/recipe/1420238/imperial-ipa-recipes/golden-hopportunity-10-gal-batch
 
Here you go, let me know how it turns out for you...

http://hopville.com/recipe/1420061/imperial-ipa-recipes/cruel-unusual-punishment-6-gal-batch

Will attenuate well w/starter. The whirlpool hops will boost bitterness and aroma, but you'll still have a nice malt backbone. See second page for mash schedule and adjust the volume/ingredients depending on your boiloff rate.

Awesome, looking forward to this, will be ready at the end of the july after the move, will post back with results.
 
Okay just took a sample and a grav. reading last night for the hell of it. I hit OG of 1.072, but it has attenuated WAY down to 1.006. Something not quite right, but it tastes good for a young beer that's nowhere near being done yet so I'm cool. 8.5%ABV... yikes.

May skip secondary, may not. Excited for the dry-hop stage!

This one is going in to some special larger bottles I have, and will be a "feature beer" that is pulled out solely to impress company.

Will probably brew it again with a tweak or two in the fall. Thanks again BobBrews!

Well, tossed in the dry hops last night. Just put them in a nice big sanitized hop bag and added it to the fermenter. No secondary. Once again, Citra is prohibitively expensive at the LHBS and Amarillo is just a no-go altogether so I had to use an all-simcoe blast, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I am going to make this again in the fall with the proper hops and compare. I still think this batch will turn out great though. I am excited to post a full review and photos when it's done.
Plan on bottling on Father's Day, then we're looking at 3 weeks to condition so should be done by July 8. Of course, I won't be able to help myself so look for an early sampling around June 29!
 
I am going to make this again in the fall with the proper hops and compare.

No need. I've made this recipe a ton of times with minor adjustments. Always turns out solid. With an all Simcoe dryhop and no Citra in the recipe, you'll get more of that dank pine fruitiness and less tropical/floral melon fruit. But it will still be a very similar beer. Good luck bro!
 
Bottled yesterday. Smells and tastes like fantastic hop-juice. Gotta love Simcoe!

Anyway my next and final post in this thread will be a complete review with photos. Excited to drink this - if I had to compare it something right now I'd say its close to Dogfish 90 - which happens to be my 2nd favourite beer!
 
I'm not really following the rules of the game, but I'm really interested in making something as close to Lagunitas Sucks as possible. The aroma is heavenly. Any suggestions?
 
I'm not really following the rules of the game, but I'm really interested in making something as close to Lagunitas Sucks as possible. The aroma is heavenly. Any suggestions?

"A ‘Cereal Medley’ of Barley, Rye, Wheat, and Oats…. Full of complexishness from the 4 grains, and weighing in at 7.6-7.85% abv, Then joyously dry-hopped for that big aroma and resinous hop flavor."

And the educated "guessing" begins...

They probably utilized brewing methods from both A Little Sumpin Sumpin & Hop Stoopid, then threw in rye and oats along with more aroma hops.

Begins around 1.085 OG with a higher than usual FG for the style. I think I read somewhere that a degassed sample was around 1.025 FG. Which would put it about at 7.8% abv, so it makes sense.

Medium-bodied, probably a 153-155 mash temp.

60-70% American 2-row
15-30% malted wheat
5-10% torrified wheat
5-10% golden naked oats
5-10% rye malt
Plenty of rice hulls

For a 5 gallon batch, it probably contains 10 or more oz. of hops, mostly late hops.

95% of the hops are most likely used at 15 minutes or less.

63++ IBUs not including the residuals from a heavy aroma steep not gauged by brewing software. A nice, long aroma steep of fruity and citrusy hops.

The pellet dryhop is likely to be piney and tropical hops at the rate of 0.75 - 1.00 oz. per gallon of beer. Dryhop temp is gonna be 67 F or higher... probably dryhopped in 3 or 4 stages of increasing temp.

At least 4 varieties of hops used, probably more. I would guess Centennial, Simcoe, Citra, Amarillo, CTZ.

Moderate to Low carbonation. Lagunitas house strain WLP002 with huge starter at 70% attenuation.
 
im game. heres one im very interested in

Naughty Kitty Tom Cat IPA
American IPA
Type: All Grain Date: 6/24/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Glynn Brown
Boil Size: 6.52 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Pot and Cooler ( 5 Gal/19 L) - All Grain
End of Boil Volume 5.98 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal Est Mash Efficiency 82.8 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
12 lbs Cargill Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 88.9 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Cargill Caramel - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 11.1 %
1.00 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - First Wort 70.0 min Hop 3 27.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 4 10.7 IBUs
1.50 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 5 22.2 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 6 -
1.00 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 7 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Wyeast American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124.21 ml] Yeast 8 -
2.00 oz Centennial [10.80 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 9 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.070 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.019 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.7 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 60.8 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 11.6 SRM
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 13 lbs 8.0 oz
Sparge Water: 4.17 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 16.88 qt of water at 169.8 F 156.0 F 45 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.79gal, 3.38gal) of 168.0 F water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Bottle Volumes of CO2: 2.3
Pressure/Weight: 3.61 oz Carbonation Used: Bottle with 3.61 oz Corn Sugar
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 70.0 F Age for: 30.00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Storage Temperature: 65.0 F
Notes


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and just for the fum of it. these are my next to brews. I've never done an ag brew theses two will be my first a temp.

Naughty Kitty Black Kat Christmas Ale
Christmas/Winter Specialty Spice Beer
Type: All Grain Date: 6/26/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer:
Boil Size: 6.52 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Pot and Cooler ( 5 Gal/19 L) - All Grain
End of Boil Volume 5.98 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal Est Mash Efficiency 82.8 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
8 lbs Cargill Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 61.5 %
2 lbs Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 2 15.4 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.7 %
1 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 4 7.7 %
8.0 oz Briss Cara-Pils (2.0 SRM) Grain 5 3.8 %
8.0 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 6 3.8 %
0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 19.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [10.80 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 8 13.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 9 15.2 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 10 -
1.00 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 11 9.1 IBUs
2.00 oz Candied Ginger (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 12 -
1.00 Items Cinnamon Stick (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 13 -
1.0 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124.21 ml] Yeast 14 -
2.00 oz Cascade [9.10 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Orange Peel, Sweet (Secondary 7.0 days) Spice 16 -
1.00 Items Vanilla Bean (Secondary 7.0 days) Spice 17 -

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.067 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.019 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.4 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 57.2 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 23.0 SRM
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 13 lbs
Sparge Water: 4.27 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 16.25 qt of water at 171.2 F 156.0 F 45 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 4 steps (Drain mash tun, , 1.42gal, 1.42gal, 1.42gal) of 168.0 F water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Bottle Volumes of CO2: 2.3
Pressure/Weight: 3.61 oz Carbonation Used: Bottle with 3.61 oz Corn Sugar
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 70.0 F Age for: 30.00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Storage Temperature: 65.0 F
Notes


Created with BeerSmith
 
Sounds like this could yield many samples.
Well count me in!
I am a noob and so far only one kit Stout and a partial mash that turned out like a red Pale Ale

I'll call this brew SOBIPA (Southern Outer Banks)

Equipment
Electric stove - enamel canning pot would go to 4 gal then add one gal H2O - a couple ale pales 6gal one with bottle spigot
Looking for a 60 min boil and 5 gal or so finish at 6% APV light to red color this time and moderate to mod/high bitterness balanced with sweetness and high aroma.
The last batch I brewed I used amarillo, cascade in the boil and 2oz Citra as a dry hop and could barely take it away from my nose to drink it YUM!
I like the SNTorpedo, Dogfish 30 and 60, too many to list
Here is a list of what I have on hand.
HOPS
1lb Cascade pellets
2oz Cascade
1lb Nugget pellets
1lb Summit pellets
2oz Kent Pellets
3.3 lbs Mutons LME
1 lb Amber DME
1/2 lb Light DME
12 oz Crushed Caramel 60L grain malt
11.5g pk of Safbrew S-33 Dry Yeast
11g pk of Windsor British Beer Yeast Dry
5 oz of priming sugar
I'll use 12 oz sterile brown bottles, temps will be around 74 to 75 degrees, I can make a starter, would like to dry out good be crisp.
I have not used Orange zest but have considered it for a summer brew.
All You!
 
bobbrews said:
"A ‘Cereal Medley’ of Barley, Rye, Wheat, and Oats…. Full of complexishness from the 4 grains, and weighing in at 7.6-7.85% abv, Then joyously dry-hopped for that big aroma and resinous hop flavor."

And the educated "guessing" begins...

They probably utilized brewing methods from both A Little Sumpin Sumpin & Hop Stoopid, then threw in rye and oats along with more aroma hops.

Begins around 1.085 OG with a higher than usual FG for the style. I think I read somewhere that a degassed sample was around 1.025 FG. Which would put it about at 7.8% abv, so it makes sense.

Medium-bodied, probably a 153-155 mash temp.

60-70% American 2-row
15-30% malted wheat
5-10% torrified wheat
5-10% golden naked oats
5-10% rye malt
Plenty of rice hulls

For a 5 gallon batch, it probably contains 10 or more oz. of hops, mostly late hops.

95% of the hops are most likely used at 15 minutes or less.

63++ IBUs not including the residuals from a heavy aroma steep not gauged by brewing software. A nice, long aroma steep of fruity and citrusy hops.

The pellet dryhop is likely to be piney and tropical hops at the rate of 0.75 - 1.00 oz. per gallon of beer. Dryhop temp is gonna be 67 F or higher... probably dryhopped in 3 or 4 stages of increasing temp.

At least 4 varieties of hops used, probably more. I would guess Centennial, Simcoe, Citra, Amarillo, CTZ.

Moderate to Low carbonation. Lagunitas house strain WLP002 with huge starter at 70% attenuation.

This one is next in my queue to brew, ill report back, thanks!
 
Okay and we're done! Well, almost. Another week in the bottles will probably do well but I think we have a winner here!



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It's a burst of hop aroma and flavor. Not too bitter, and has a nice warm finish due to its 8% abv. All in all a very balanced brew that I'd be happy to share with friends looking for a good example of a IIPA. Thanks Bobbrews!!

Anyone else drinking their "custom" recipe yet?
 
Okay just took a sample and a grav. reading last night for the hell of it. I hit OG of 1.072, but it has attenuated WAY down to 1.006. Something not quite right, but it tastes good for a young beer that's nowhere near being done yet so I'm cool. 8.5%ABV... yikes.

May skip secondary, may not. Excited for the dry-hop stage!

This one is going in to some special larger bottles I have, and will be a "feature beer" that is pulled out solely to impress company.

Will probably brew it again with a tweak or two in the fall. Thanks again BobBrews!

Wow!! Good job if that's an accurate reading. I would love to get my IIPAs that dry. I thought you would hit 1.011 at best. It is odd considering you only missed the OG by .001 - I wouldn't worry too much though...The big tropical whirlpool and dryhop should add a nice perceived juicy sweetness.

What temp did you mash at, and did you do anything to aid attenuation other than using corn sugar and a starter of WLP001?

Good news, bad news!

Bad news:
I think I found out what went "wrong" - when I was setting up my fermentation chamber using a JCA419, I stuck the temp probe in a big bucket full of water to run some tests. I also stuck in my thermometer for ****s and giggles - well guess what - thermometer was reading +6F, so essentially I mashed at 148F instead of 154. I believe this would explain the intense fermentability.

Good news:
I'll have to brew this again to compare!

Thermapen is next on the list of things to waste my kid's education fund on. I'm also entering this brew in a comp. just to see if I'm missing out on any off flavours or anything. Personally I think it's quite good, and friends all agree - even the BMC noobs who don't even know what an IIPA is.
 
Well that's a big difference :) Good to know it still tasted great for you! I would probably like that change considering I enjoy the more thinnish, dry, low malt IPAs with high hop aroma and smooth bitterness... as long as they're not watery or lacking in overall flavor.

Also, I recommend tweaking it to your liking. Don't go 100% on the original recipe if there are a few changes that you think would better suit your tastes. You already brewed it so you would know if you want less hops or more body.
 
still offering free recipes?
Kettle size (size - in gallons): 10
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons): 6.5 gal carboy
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: any, preferably all grain
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: yes
Are you able to rack to secondary?: yes
Boil size (in gallons): 6.5+
Batch size (in gallons): 5
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs: more APA-grand teton sweetgrass, new glarus moon man, 3 floyds alpha kings, lagunitas maximus, bell's two hearted
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American Imperial IPAs: DFH 90 min, Hopslam, Hop Stoopid
What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: 6
Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: either, usually smack pack
Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high): 3
Quality expectation (1-I don't care, I just want to drink, 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool, 3-pretty high, 4-I want world class): 3
Balance (1-I would rather have something more sweet than bitter, 2-I want an absolute even bitterness and sweetness, 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness, 4-blast me with bitterness and peel off my enamel): 2.5
Body (1-Thin and highly drinkable, 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy, 3-Full body, a sipper for sure): 2
Malt profile (1-I want to taste a lot of different grains, 2-I want an even portrayal of malt and hops, 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters, 4-I want all hops, in my face with little to no malt character):2.5
 
How about a nice hoppy American Pale instead of an IPA?? Still Game? Maybe some floral and fruity hops instead of the dank or piney?

Kettle size (size - in gallons): 5
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons): 5 and 7
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: All Grain
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: I have but dont normally
Are you able to rack to secondary?: Yes
Boil size (in gallons): 4
Batch size (in gallons): 3
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs: Crooked Tree; Hopdevil
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American Imperial IPAs: Bells Hopslam; Lagunitas Hop Stupid; 90 minute
What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: 4-6 (pale ale)
Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: Starters are fine
Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high): 3
Quality expectation (1-I don't care, I just want to drink, 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool, 3-pretty high, 4-I want world class): 4
Balance (1-I would rather have something more sweet than bitter, 2-I want an absolute even bitterness and sweetness, 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness, 4-blast me with bitterness and peel off my enamel): 2
Body (1-Thin and highly drinkable, 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy, 3-Full body, a sipper for sure): 2
Malt profile (1-I want to taste a lot of different grains, 2-I want an even portrayal of malt and hops, 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters, 4-I want all hops, in my face with little to no malt character): 3
 
I'm hoping you can help me come up with something fun here. I have a freezer full of all kinds of different hops, many of which I haven't used before (sorachi ace, HBC-342, summit, AU topaz, bravo), as well as some classics (Simcoe, centennial, cascade). Waddya got for me?

bobbrews said:
Kettle size (size - in gallons): 10
Carboy or Bucket? (size - in gallons): either,6 gal
Extract, Partial Mash, or All-Grain: AG
Do you BIAB? Yes, No, or What the Hell is that?: Yes.
Are you able to rack to secondary?: Yes
Boil size (in gallons): 7
Batch size (in gallons): 5.5
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American IPAs:
Ballast Point Sculpin IPA, Avery IPA, NB Ranger, uinta hop notch
List your top 3-5 favorite commercial American Imperial IPAs:
Hop Stoopid, widmer Nelson imperial, Firestone double jack

What is your desired alcohol level for this recipe?: ideally 7ish but my system maxes out at about 1.065

Can you make a yeast starter, or do you prefer dry yeast?: either one is fine
Patience level (1-none, 2-low, 3-medium, 4-high):
3
Quality expectation (1-I don't care, I just want to drink, 2-If you can brew me the average beer then that's cool, 3-pretty high, 4-I want world class): 3-4
Balance (1-I would rather have something more sweet than bitter, 2-I want an absolute even bitterness and sweetness, 3-give me a beer with smooth, yet prominent bitterness, 4-blast me with bitterness and peel off my enamel): 3.25

Body (1-Thin and highly drinkable, 2-Moderate body, drinks fairly easy, 3-Full body, a sipper for sure): 1-2

Malt profile (1-I want to taste a lot of different grains, 2-I want an even portrayal of malt and hops, 3-I don't really care about the malt as much as the hops, but malt still matters, 4-I want all hops, in my face with little to no malt character): 3
 
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