Honing in the right color

[Tony269]

So, I am trying to get a rich orange color (like Blue Moon) on this beer I have brewed twice now but for some reason it keeps coming out a light copper instead.

Here is what I am using:

Grains:
5.5 lbs 2-row
1 lb Honey malt
5 lb White Wheat
8 oz Caravienne
8 oz Munich 10L

Other:
.5 oz Orange Bitter

Hops:
1oz Hallertau
1oz Saaz

Yeast:
1 Safale S-05


Any ideas why the color would be more copper than orange and what I can do to change that? I mean the beer tastes good so I really shouldn't be complaining but when I entered the recipe into Brewers Friend it says I should get a darkish yellow to orange color and it really isn't close.


THANKS EVERYONE!!!

 

[Wolfbrau]

Do you like how the recipe is turning out otherwise? If so, use a few ounces of Weyermann carafa special or Briess Blackprinz to darken it to your liking.

 

[ajdelange]

Beer color is essentially one dimensional. It is determined by SRM*cm i.e. the product of the beer's SRM rating and the width of the glass you look at it in. That's the beer's color. The color you see depends on the light you view with, whether you are looking at it with just cones or rods and cones and what other colors are in the visual field.

To control color you change the melanoidin concentration by
1) Using more dark malt (proportionally)
2) Boiling longer
3) Adding Farbebier (e.g. Sinamar).

Note: Beer color really has more than 1 degree of freedom: perhaps 4 but trying to tweak the others (i.e. beyond the main one, SRM), is pretty tricky.

 

[BrewerBrad82]

Im not super surprised that the color is a little dark. The caravienne comes out at 45 lovibond, so that will go a pretty long way in making your beer more towards the copper color. If you really want to get a nice orange color, I would personally cut the caravienne in half, or substitute it entirely with a caramel malt of lower color, like Briess caramel 20L.