Hill Farmstead thread

[SeaWatchman]

Shauwne Hill at it again: http://www.dcbeer.com/news/hill-farmstead-bourbon-and-ethics-dcs-gray-laws

 

[Auror]

Shauwne Hill at it again: http://www.dcbeer.com/news/hill-farmstead-bourbon-and-ethics-dcs-gray-laws

That was a very well done article. I see both sides of the issue. If I owned a DC bar, I personally wouldn't sell beer from growlers filled weeks earlier, despite the popularity that they may see. I certainly wouldn't advertise them in advance. However, I also wouldn't let Shaun Hill tell me what to do with my product once I've purchased it. I've got zero problems with DC area institutions selling b.c. bottles (within reason & transparent details about when they were purchased)

 

[SeaWatchman]

That was a very well done article. I see both sides of the issue. If I owned a DC bar, I personally wouldn't sell beer from growlers filled weeks earlier, despite the popularity that they may see. I certainly wouldn't advertise them in advance. However, I also wouldn't let Shaun Hill tell me what to do with my product once I've purchased it. I've got zero problems with DC area institutions selling b.c. bottles (within reason & transparent details about when they were purchased)

I used to live outside of DC and benefited greatly from their distribution structure. I think it's a model for how the rest of the country should be. Do I think it's a good idea do sell growlers as pours to a customer? No. But do I really care what a brewer tells me after I legally purchased the beer? Nope, not at all. To be quite honest, you've probably got a better shot at getting terrible/mishandled/old beer out of a distributor's warehouse than you do by sending someone to go get it on their own at the source to bring back to a bar. I had a friend who used to ferry beer for a bar in DC from all over the Northeast and into the Midwest.

But seriusly... this ******' guy: "there is a perennial understanding, archived in the vaulted halo of good practice, that they honor their meta-narrative"

 

[grandmeaulnes]

But seriusly... this ******' guy: "there is a perennial understanding, archived in the vaulted halo of good practice, that they honor their meta-narrative"

yeah **** dudes with humanities degrees talkin all erudite an' ****. this is beer, we sposedta be dumb!

 

[matt_6]

yeah **** dudes with humanities degrees talkin all erudite an' ****. this is beer, we sposedta be dumb!

Hmmmm erudite.....

 

[SeaWatchman]

yeah **** dudes with humanities degrees talkin all erudite an' ****. this is beer, we sposedta be dumb!

Not really the time or place to talk like an Oxford philosopher. No one gives a **** about his undergraduate philosophy degree as it relates to his beer being poured.

 

[grandmeaulnes]

Not really the time or place to talk like an Oxford philosopher. No one gives a **** about his undergraduate philosophy degree as it relates to his beer being poured.

hes talking about ethics, a branch of philosophy, in an arranged interview. how can the florid language surprise you

 

[SeaWatchman]

hes talking about ethics, a branch of philosophy, in an arranged interview. how can the florid language surprise you

 

[phillybeer7779]

I remember when I quoted Nietzsche to impress smart girls. Being 17 was awesome.

 

[grandmeaulnes]

I remember when I quoted Nietzsche to impress smart girls. Being 17 was awesome.

i hope you never actually did this

 

[Frank1]

I remember when I quoted Nietzsche to impress smart girls. Being 17 was awesome.

Forum troll with a hardon for SeaWatchman and Shaun Hill?

He 100% did that.

 

[PrinceCaspian]

...Do I think it's a good idea do sell growlers as pours to a customer? No. But do I really care what a brewer tells me after I legally purchased the beer? Nope, not at all. To be quite honest, you've probably got a better shot at getting terrible/mishandled/old beer out of a distributor's warehouse than you do by sending someone to go get it on their own at the source to bring back to a bar...

You seem to be trying to have it both ways. You agree with Shaun Hill that selling growlers pours weeks after the growlers were filled iis a bad idea. But then you say that it's better to have individuals ferry beer rather than trusting those pesky distributors with their kegs and refrigerated trucks. Which is it?

Based on the posts I've seen from you, it seems like you have some sort of axe to grind with Hill Farmstead, such that even when you agree with them you still have to say something to prove how stupid you think they are. If I'm misreading this, please correct my misunderstanding.

 

[SeaWatchman]

You seem to be trying to have it both ways. You agree with Shaun Hill that selling growlers pours weeks after the growlers were filled iis a bad idea. But then you say that it's better to have individuals ferry beer rather than trusting those pesky distributors with their kegs and refrigerated trucks. Which is it?

Based on the posts I've seen from you, it seems like you have some sort of axe to grind with Hill Farmstead, such that even when you agree with them you still have to say something to prove how stupid you think they are. If I'm misreading this, please correct my misunderstanding.

I'm hardly trying to have it both ways here. Shaun doesn't just want growlers to not be poured in that article, he wants all of his beers to not be poured, growler or not. To which I say: If in DC laws permit people to acquire beer outside of the 3-tier system then it is fair game despite what the brewery wants otherwise. I understand his (or any other brewer's) reasoning for not wanting the growlers poured, but the bottles? Meh. I'd say the same thing about any brewery.

 

[pjl44]

But seriusly... this ******' guy: "there is a perennial understanding, archived in the vaulted halo of good practice, that they honor their meta-narrative"

I think I'm more put off by the bar dude who keeps saying the evening was about "celebrating" VT beers. He's trying to paint this picture of ol' pals sittin' around swappin' stories while samplin'. He charged $35 for a can of Heady, 8 oz of HF, and 20 oz of other stuff (that I'm sure is fine, but would never get anyone to leave their house). I don't know this guy or bar's background, but the whole thing strikes me as being generated by and catering to the new world, frenzied, gotta try everything beer geek.

The whole deal and each guy's motivation makes total sense to me, though. I understand why Shaun would raise a fuss and I understand why the other guy would stand pat. If I were Shaun, I'd send half a dozen kegs to ChurchKey for an event. Hell, would have been hilarious if he could've worked it out to be the same night.

 

[PrinceCaspian]

I'm hardly trying to have it both ways here. Shaun doesn't just want growlers to not be poured in that article, he wants all of his beers to not be poured, growler or not. To which I say: If in DC laws permit people to acquire beer outside of the 3-tier system then it is fair game despite what the brewery wants otherwise. I understand his (or any other brewer's) reasoning for not wanting the growlers poured, but the bottles? Meh. I'd say the same thing about any brewery.

Huh. I guess I was reading less than you were into the interview... and I was reading more into your comments. I read Shaun's comments in the interview as being about selling beer poured from growlers; sure, I guess it's possible to read that he was as upset about the bottles, but he certainly talked much more about the quality concerns about the old growlers.

As for the "axe to grind" part of my previous post, that didn't require much reading-into. I could randomly pick any of your FFB-related posts, such as the couple on this page: "...this f'ing guy..." or "...no one gives a sh*t..." It seems to me like you're somehow offended that he's thoughtful about his business.

Perhaps this is better suited for another thread, but I was just trying to figure out why every SeaWatchman comment regarding HFB seems to entail a sharp stick jabbed at the brewer. Any help with this?

 

[pjl44]

Perhaps this is better suited for another thread, but I was just trying to figure out why every SeaWatchman comment regarding HFB seems to entail a sharp stick jabbed at the brewer. Any help with this?

It's not reserved for Hill Farmstead. His saltiness is his charm.

 

[andyctree]

Are you really criticizing him for not talking like a *******?

If I owned a burger joint, and I made the best burgers around, I wouldn't want someone selling the burgers I made weeks ago for a jacked up price four states away.

 

[MikeG1]

In other news, E. on shelves either 4/16 or 4/23 according to Shaun. M&C3 sold out. Wheat Is The New Hops up next on shelf.

 

[justforrazors]

Are you really criticizing him for not talking like a *******?

If I owned a burger joint, and I made the best burgers around, I wouldn't want someone selling the burgers I made weeks ago for a jacked up price four states away.

Hell, I'd be all over this if someone could get me some in and out in 24 hours.

 

[ASUBeer]

I will be very ISO E. I've always wanted to try that one.

What are people's thoughts on b3 Norma? I liked b2 but was honestly a little underwhelmed.

 

[bsc]

Very much enjoyed b3 Norma and I wasn't a huge of b1 (so much that I didn't bother going to get b2 when it came out).

Palates change.

What were you underwhelmed by?

 

[bsc]

and of all the things HF pisses and moans about, for no real reason, someone selling pours from growlers is one I can actually get behind.

 

[Frank1]

I didn't love b2, I love b3.

That's all.

 

[OnryAndMean]

I didn't love b2, I love b3.

 

[MikeG1]

Had both B2 and B3 recently. B3 is fantastic, but B2 with a year on it was better. I think B3 with at least 6 months on it will surpass B2, though.

 

[facesnorth1]

I'm also curious about E. It's odd because it's a pale ale, I guess a funked up version of Edward. He normally doesn't bottle anything hoppy. Some of the reviews describe it as being like a saison. But I'm not quite sure how I should view it.

Seems like such a long wait with just wheat is the new hops on the shelf.... I'd crap myself if E. somehow overlapped with M&C#4.

 

[parkingphi]

In other news, E. on shelves either 4/16 or 4/23 according to Shaun. M&C3 sold out. Wheat Is The New Hops up next on shelf.

Assuming the "schedule" is in chronological order, does that mean Beyond Good and Evil will be on the shelves end of March, beginning of April?

 

[OnryAndMean]

Assuming the "schedule" is in chronological order, does that mean Beyond Good and Evil will be on the shelves end of March, beginning of April?

BGAE dropped down in the queue

 

[parkingphi]

I somehow doubt that they'll just put Wheat is the New Hops on the shelves by themselves. At least hoping anyway!

 

[Frank1]

I'm also curious about E. It's odd because it's a pale ale, I guess a funked up version of Edward. He normally doesn't bottle anything hoppy. Some of the reviews describe it as being like a saison. But I'm not quite sure how I should view it.

Seems like such a long wait with just wheat is the new hops on the shelf.... I'd crap myself if E. somehow overlapped with M&C#4.

E. is more of a saison than a pale ale. Last release had lots of brett going on and was nice and cleanly funky. I don't think it's dryhopped before bottling, but I'm nowhere near 100% on that. Just consider that it's been in the barrels for a year and a half. Regardless of the base, that much time in a wine barrel is going to have a large impact on the final product.