Heads up hop heads - Mosaic (HBC 369) at freshops!

[FATC1TY]

What size bags do you use with your food saver?

I get the roll, and make my own size. I'll run a larger bag, enough that I can open it, and seal it again if I don't use it all in one use. I'll save a bag if I can put more hops and seal it. They aren't cheap, but work great.

 

[joetothemo]

Goodwill is THE place for used FoodSavers/Seal-a-Meals

Unfortunately, there is NO place for cheap/reliable bags.

I have 8oz of Mosaic and I will be brewing with half of it on Thanksgiving weekend. I'm brewing my typical NW Red Ale/Holiday IPA with them. I usually use a combo of Simcoe/Amarillo or Simcoe/Centennial (Simcoe/Cascade in a pinch) in this recipe.

I'll be isolating Mosaic in this batch and will post an update around NYE.

13.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 87.10 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.45 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
0.50 lb Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
0.50 oz Magnum [20.00 %] (60 min) Hops 32.0 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (20 min) Hops 12.2 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (10 min) Hops 7.2 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (1 min) Hops 6.0 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) [Starter 2000 ml] Yeast-Ale

 

[allenH]

I had no luck with Craigslist or Goodwill for a foodsaver. My mom gave me a cheap vacuum sealer that she bought a few years back, no luck, the one bag I sealed didn't pack hard and leaked after a few minutes. I searched around and ended up buying a foodsaver v2244 from amazon for $60 delivered. I'm going to re-package my mosaic tomorrow.

 

[ChrisNH]

What size bags do you use with your food saver?

I use pint, quart, and gallon bags.. but mostly pint bags and a few QT bags. A pint bag will hold less then or up to if you squeeze 4 oz of whole hops, a gallon will hold a lb, and the qt are good for amounts in-between. Sometimes I will break a bag down into what I will need for the next few batches, sometimes I just take what I need and reseal.

It would be more economical to get the sleeves so you can make long bags that can be resealed more often as you take hops out but I tend not to have those around. When I am sealing a lot of stuff, hops or food, its kind of a pain. I use mostly QT bags for food.

Unfortunately the bags I get from Freshops I can't reseal, I cut them just to the top of the hops and put them into a compatible bag for sealing when I open them. I just got some bags from Northwest hops which look like they are compatible with a consumer food sealer (textured inside) so I am hoping those can be resealed.

These are the bags I have been using:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270762546116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

They have different mixes of bags. Last time I just ordered a pint and qt mix. There are other vendors. YMMV.

 

[FATC1TY]

My local Target has a TON of the FS bags on sale. I got 5 rolls of the make your own size bags for under $10.

 

[jammin]

Perhaps a moderator could split the vac sealing discussion into a new thread? It would be nice to stay on topic for future brewers who want to learn about mosaic.

Cheers

 

[tinytowers]

perhaps a moderator could split the vac sealing discussion into a new thread? It would be nice to stay on topic for future brewers who want to learn about mosaic.

Cheers

+1

 

[joetothemo]

There are about a thousand vacuum sealer threads on the forum. You are right, that discussion belongs in another thread. This should be a Mosaic feedback thread.

 

[Krovitz]

You guys need some cheese with that whine?

 

[jammin]

You guys need some cheese with that whine?

Sorry about that, I didn't realize you needed to hijack a thread to learn how to do something as simple as vac-sealing hops. Please continue....

 

[Krovitz]

Don't get all upset on me. We're easily sidetracked. BTW, I got an airlock that stopped bubbling after 3 days. Should I bottle it? jk.

We got a while before finished product. I noticed everyone is dry hopping. Anyone interested in a dry hop vs hop burst swap? I'm brewing with mosaic this weekend. Probably 5 weeks away from being ready. I live in Mass.

 

[sweetcell]

i'm really curious about mosaic and would love to try it... but at $29.60 a pound the price is scaring me.

if i were to get 5 oz, the amount i typically use in a SMaSH, it's $9.25 + $6.30 shipping = $15.55. dat sh*t cray.

 

[joetothemo]

Tasting my first sips from the fermenter right now and the Fresh Hops description is dead on with this "earthy, grassy, herbal, citrus, cedar, tropical, spice and stone fruit notes adding to the pine-based pungency"

This hop is crazy complex and Mosaic is a perfectly suited name.

People calling it Simcoe without the cattiness are off... there is some cattiness to it. But not over powering and not at all bad.

The cedar note really stands out too...and I like it more than I would have guessed.

I pick up a lot of fruit...stone and tropical.

It is spicy, woody and fruity. A great IPA hop. Really complex. I can't imagine blending it with another. Although it is short on citrus, so I guess if you felt the need to add some citrus notes with one Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial and or a touch of Citra (I'd not go overboard against the Mosaic tho).

Here is my recipe. Tasted a FG sample at 1.016 and dry hopped with 1 oz Mosaic.

Cheers!

13.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 87.10 %
1.00 lb Caramel Malt - 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.45 %
0.50 lb Caramel Malt - 120L (Briess) (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
0.50 lb Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 44.0 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (20 min) Hops 11.6 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (15 min) Hops 9.2 IBU
1.00 oz Mosaic [11.30 %] (1 min) Hops 5.7 IBU
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) [Starter 2000 ml]

 

[Silverbullet]

Just ordered a lb of this to try out. I like the sounds of it! Debating on making this an IPA or Mosaic/Centennial Blonde Ale...or both. Probably both.

 

[FATC1TY]

That does sound good. Reading your post, before I saw the recipe you used, I said.. "Man, I'm thinking Chinook to bitter, Mosaic to flavor and aroma, maybe a flame out addition of Amarillo or Cascade, and dry hop it with Mosaic and Amarillo/Citra if it needed more citrus.

 

[gbarron]

I just dry hopped a double IPA with 1.5 ozs each of Mosaic and Simcoe. I will post some results in a few weeks. I like the aroma of the hop as a put it in the fermenter.

 

[jammin]

I have a little over a case of Mosiac IPA carbing up right now - 10 [long] days to go. I dry hopped it at almost an ounce per gallon. The samples have been very promising - tropical fruit (pineapple maybe?) and citrus. Been trying to hold my tongue until the beer is fully carbed and conditioned.

 

[BAJones]

I took a gravity reading after 4 days in the fermentor of the IPA I used Mosaic in, it smelled and tasted great, definitely right on the description as joetothemoe said. If you're looking for something new and complex this is a great choice.

10# 2 Row
12 oz Carapils
8 oz Melanoidin
8 oz Dextrose
.75 oz Columbus (60)
3.5 oz Mosaic (5)
.5 oz Columbus (5)
3.5 oz Mosaic (0)
1.5 oz Mosaic (DH 14 days)
.75 oz Citra or Amarillo (haven't decided yet) (DH 14 days)
1.5 oz Mosaic (DH 19 days)
.75 oz Citra or Amarillo (DH 19 days)

s-04
OG 1.062
gravity 4 days later was 1.018
will probably get to around 1.014 or 1.012 after another week
I think the IBU's were around 70 (my notes are at home)
I'm definitely looking forward to the beer though I think it will be really good, I hope to find more of these hops around, I bought leaf from freshops.com and my LHBS just got some pellets in.

 

[HeavyKettleBrewing]

I just got mine ordered. Anybody consider bittering with Summit, late addition of Mosaic? I have an arseload of Summit that I need to use.

 

[sweetcell]

I just got mine ordered. Anybody consider bittering with Summit, late addition of Mosaic? I have an arseload of Summit that I need to use.

sounds like a great plan to me.

 

[HeavyKettleBrewing]

I am going experiment the Summit/Mosaic combo. Summit has a stong Garlic aroma and I have been told that late additions give it a more pronounced scent. I may use Summit at 30min to try and get the tangerine flavors out of it. Going off of what others claim about Mosaic being more earthy/piney than fruity. I have used Summit with Citra and produced some great results. Really excited, wishing I expedited shipping!

 

[sweetcell]

Summit can have a stong Garlic aroma

not all summit hops have a garlic aroma, it's not part of their intrinsic makeup. that smell is usually associated with hops that were picked too late. either summits are very sensitive to harvesting times, or growers have gotten better at picking them on time. the summits i've used didn't have an ounce of garlic to them, and they contributed an intense citrus flavor with just a touch of spice. just a heads-up in case you get a properly-harvest summit and are disappointed at the lack of garlic (although you might be the first, since it's much more typical to hear of someone who was hoping for citrus and was disappointed by the garlic)

 

[Silverbullet]

Trying to come up with a recipe to try these mosaic hops I have inbound. Having never used these hops, not real sure what to expect.

11lbs 2-row
1lb caramel
0.5lbs carapils
0.75oz 60min
1oz 20min
2oz 5min
1oz flameout
1oz dryhop

Looking to go all Mosaic, or have all of the "C" hops and could mix it up in the early additions? Really want to finish with Mosaic though to see what it's all about.

Thoughts/pointers?

 

[jammin]

Trying to come up with a recipe to try these mosaic hops I have inbound. Having never used these hops, not real sure what to expect.

11lbs 2-row
1lb caramel
0.75oz 60min
1oz 20min
2oz 5min
1oz flameout
1oz dryhop

Looking to go all Mosaic, or have all of the "C" hops and could mix it up in the early additions? Really want to finish with Mosaic though to see what it's all about.

Thoughts/pointers?

My all Mosaic IPA just finished up. I stole the grain bill from Kern River Citra DIPA. Mosaic worked extremely will with that grist. The aromatics on Mosaic are right up there with Citra and Simcoe. This hop is gonna get very popular I think. I plan on brewing the same recipe ASAP as I know this batch is gonna be gone way too quick.

I think your recipe looks pretty good - but I would try and replace the Mosaic at 60 with something else. Move it to dry hop if you can.

 

[Silverbullet]

I think your recipe looks pretty good - but I would try and replace the Mosaic at 60 with something else. Move it to dry hop if you can.

Centennial at 60?

 

[jammin]

Centennial at 60?

Mosiac would certainly work - I just think you will really like the flavor with some additional dry hop on it.

I hate to even see Centennial burned at 60 haha. Of course that would be fine. I always keep a supply of Magnum around for bittering - it helps save the tastier hops for late additions and dry hopping.

You're gonna love the Mosaic, sir. I'll be looking forward to hearing your thoughts when it finishes.

 

[Silverbullet]

Lol I hear you on saving the tastier hops. Just looked and I have a bunch of chinook, cascade, columbus for bittering and could save the centennial....

 

[BAJones]

Trying to come up with a recipe to try these mosaic hops I have inbound. Having never used these hops, not real sure what to expect.

11lbs 2-row
1lb caramel
0.5lbs carapils
0.75oz 60min
1oz 20min
2oz 5min
1oz flameout
1oz dryhop

Looking to go all Mosaic, or have all of the "C" hops and could mix it up in the early additions? Really want to finish with Mosaic though to see what it's all about.

Thoughts/pointers?

A pound of caramel/crystal is about 8% of the grist which is a lot, you may want to back that down to under 5%. Centennial is a good 60 minute addition, but if you have magnum or warrior or columbus, any will work well.

 

[sweetcell]

A pound of caramel/crystal is about 8% of the grist which is a lot, you may want to back that down to under 5%. Centennial is a good 60 minute addition, but if you have magnum or warrior or columbus, any will work well.

interesting. to me, 8% is about right and i wouldn't go higher than 10%... different strokes

+1 on the bittering options proposed. save the centennial & mosaic for late additions.

 

[jammin]

interesting. to me, 8% is about right and i wouldn't go higher than 10%... different strokes

especially when there is no other specialty malt in play.

I believe Northern Brewer's "Dead Ringer" kit uses a pound of C40 and it's not cloying at all. Quite delicious actually.

But yes, different strokes for sure!