Founders All Day IPA

[brewski09]

DwDrummer
Happy you are enjoying the recipe. Your beer looks great. Any thoughts on improving it?


Brewski


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[dblab33]

Just to note, the guys at Founders talked about All Day extensively at NHC.

It's all Simcoe and Amarillo with 7 different additions throughout the process including a FWH and mash hop. No 60 min bittering addition.

It's also 50% Rahr 2 row, 20% flaked oats, and then 5 other grains. Only other confirmed was Simpsons crystal malt, but no color or amount was given. My thoughts are that there's some very light crystal with touch of rye and carapils. I wouldn't be surprised to find it's about 10% Vienna as well.

Also, they confirmed using 1056.

 

[dwDrummer]

DwDrummer
Happy you are enjoying the recipe. Your beer looks great. Any thoughts on improving it?


Brewski


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Honestly I wouldn't change anything because it turned out to be one of the best beers I've made. Was my brew dead on to Founders? No. Was it really close? Yes. Was it a great beer? Yes.

Perhaps someone would like to take this recipe and make some adjustments based on the info from dblab33 above and see what results they get.

 

[brewski09]

I'll be looking at the recipe again in the next few weeks when I get some more time

 

[ErieShores]

I degassed it, it finished at 1.010.

 

[brewski09]

This information was on the Founder's Blog

"A description. The beer you’ve been waiting for. Keeping your taste satisfied while keeping your senses sharp. An all-day IPA naturally brewed with a complex array of malts, grains, and hops. Perfectly balanced for aggressive aromatics, moderate bitterness and a remarkably clean finish. It’s the perfect companion for tall tales around the bonfire, working around the yard, or introducing great craft beer to your Uncle Ernie and Aunt Claudia.

The stats. 4.7% ABV, 42 IBUs, 6 SRM

Tasting notes. Fresh and hoppy, tropical fruits, oats and wheat.

Ingredients. Three varieties of malts, Simcoe and Amarillo hops (among others).

The accolades. Won a silver medal at the 2010 GABF"

well this is interesting. sounds like the recipe has changed a bit since it was first released...

 

[mkirkland]

5 Gallon batch size
OG=1.040 FG=1.012 SRM=6 IBU=40 (Rager) I got 70% Extract efficiency. I think I mashed at 148F.

6# 12oz Briess 2-row
1# 2oz Briess Caramel 20L
12oz flaked oats
4oz Briess Red Wheat

8g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 60 min
6g Simcoe 14.1AA leaf 60 min
14g Amarillo 8.6AA pellet 20 min
14g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 20 min
14g Simcoe 14.1AA leaf 20 min
14g Amarillo 8.6AA pellet 5 min
14g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 5 min

Dryhop (7 days)
14g Simcoe 14.1AA
14g Amarillo 8.6AA
14g Crystal 3.4AA

I used WLP862 Cry Havoc (british yeast qualities) because its my house strain. I plan on culturing some Bells yeast soon. Suggest WLP001 or equivalent if you don't have Bells yeast, but anything mild/neutral will work.

My only change would be less of the Crystal hops for flavor, maybe half, and add simcoe to balance the IBU, or just increase one of the bittering additions. I also love Amarillo, so I wouldn't be opposed to bumping up the 5 minute addition of Amarillo for more aroma. I thought this was a really close recipe as it is. I will probably add about 1/4 oz of Citra for dryhop next time to get a mild tangerine.

For extract, just use some Briess CBW Golden Light and make sure you pitch enough yeast and have a healthy fermentation. You will finish a tiny bit higher (1.014 maybe?), but it should be close enough. If you think that's a little dark or too much crystal malt in the extract, the Briess CBW Pilsen Light has less crystal malt sweetness to me. I don't think the flaked adjuncts are all that important in this beer.

Cheers

Is this version still the reigning champion of the clone? I LOVE this beer

 

[brewski09]

It needs some updates based on info from the brewery, but this is a pretty close beer and tastes good.

 

[nbrack]

Thanks for great work Brewski09 and others! Founders All Day tasted so good to me when I first had it that I stopped brewing about a year ago- I was like why bother? Lol! Seeing this clone recipe has inspired me to get back and get a batch going soon. Cheers!

 

[Weezy]

Thanks for great work Brewski09 and others! Founders All Day tasted so good to me when I first had it that I stopped brewing about a year ago- I was like why bother? Lol! Seeing this clone recipe has inspired me to get back and get a batch going soon. Cheers!

I quite for the same reason for a long time, a long time ago, actually.

I had my first all day IPA on tap yesterday. I'm brewing my first attempt at Fat Head's Summertime Daydream session IPA today. They are quite similar yet different. Simcoe and Citra in both. Light malt bills. I find the fat heads drier, less malty. The fat heads is also much more bitter with less hop flavor. Founders has a richer, slightly so, malt profile. And the hops come through with much more flavor on the Founders (and can certainly agree with the post about there being lot of hop additions through the whole boil). They're like sisters how similar yet distinguishably different they are. Both are nice, depending on what you like. I'd drink the heck out of either.

Great beer!

 

[SandstoneCityBrew]

I quite for the same reason for a long time, a long time ago, actually.

I had my first all day IPA on tap yesterday. I'm brewing my first attempt at Fat Head's Summertime Daydream session IPA today. They are quite similar yet different. Simcoe and Citra in both. Light malt bills. I find the fat heads drier, less malty. The fat heads is also much more bitter with less hop flavor. Founders has a richer, slightly so, malt profile. And the hops come through with much more flavor on the Founders (and can certainly agree with the post about there being lot of hop additions through the whole boil). They're like sisters how similar yet distinguishably different they are. Both are nice, depending on what you like. I'd drink the heck out of either.

Great beer!

You mind sharing that recipe for the Fat Head's Sunshine Daydream?

 

[Weezy]

Here's the thread. This is first try so we'll have to see how it comes out. It'll be ready in two weeks.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/fat-heads-sunshine-daydream-clone-attempt-482328/

 

[Sepanik1986]

Bump

 

[jackflash]

Guys, your advice please. I've written out all of my (noob) instructions for the brew to include making the neccassary changes from grain to extract/hop additions etc. Could you have a look at my process and see if it looks sound:

Start:
1. Heat 6 gallons of water to 68c
2. Steep 500g of carahell for 30 minutes (maintaining temperature)
3. Bring to boil
4. Add 2kg of light DME (stir in)

Hop additions & finings:
1. Hop add 60min left: 4g Mount Hood leaf
2. Hop add 60min left: 10g Simcoe leaf
3. Hop add 20min left: 18g Amarillo pellet
4. Hop add 20min left: 10g Mount Hood leaf
5. Hop add 20min left: 16g Simcoe leaf
6. Whirfloc tablet 10mins left
7. Hop add 5min left: 18g Amarillo pellet
8. Hop add 5min left: 7g Mount Hood leaf

Finish:
1. Cool to 20c
2. Aerate the wort
3. Pitch WLP0001 yeast
4. Airlock with vodka and leave to ferment 14 days

Dry Hop for 7 days (in primary after 14 days):
1. 14g Simcoe leaf
2. 20g Amarillo pellet
3. 8g Mount Hood

Bottling:
1. Boil 2 litres of water with 127g of table sugar or 187g of DME (check on day)
2. Cool, and add to bottling bucket
3. Transfer beer to bottling bucket, then bottle
4. Leave to condition in warm room for 2 weeks
5. Leave in fridge for few days
6. Open and drink the suckers!

 

[tagz]

Your process looks fine. You would end up with a pretty solid beer. Things that might make it better: adding a chunk of your extract at the end of the boil, moving your five-minute hops to flameout, starting your dry hop just after fermentation completes (5-7 days), and dry hopping for maybe 3 to 4 days instead of entire week. The benefits are a lighter crisper profile from the late extract addition, more flavor and aroma from your flameout addition, and shortening your time to glass, thus increasing the freshness of your hop character. That said, if this is one of your first few batches, I would just go for it as is and and investigate those changes later.

 

[jackflash]

Mighty kind of you to pass on your knowledge tagz
Thanks a million. How much DME should I add late, and when do you think I should add it? Also, with the dry hop, would you suggest to bottle straight after ie; 2 weeks Primary? Brewing from Carlow, Ireland how about you?

 

[brewski09]

I'm not used to DME in kg. mine comes by the pound. Simple rule of thumb is to split half and half though (1kg at the beginning and 1kg at the end) so you don't mess with hop utilization too much (the lower the gravity the higher AA extraction and conversion). I like moving the hops to flameout too, maybe even increasing them at flameout for future batches.

Plan your dryhop for 3-4 days before you can bottle. If that is 10 days after brewing or 21 days it won't matter too much (I do work to get bottled before 21 days on my happier brews because I feel they are fresher that way, but my friends haven't noticed). I don't like to go beyond 5 days max dryhopping because I think it gets harsh. Do some experiments on it for yourself though as every system and every palate is different b

 

[pdm1982]

I don't know the legalities of posting their exact recipe, but I will post:
2 Row, Crystal 20, Red Wheat, Flaked Oats and Maize, Rye Malt
Simcoe, Amarillo in the boil
Simcoe, Amarillo, Crystal in the dry hop

Interesting...I just got this same kit and I have Apollo and Amarillo in the boil and Apollo, Amarillo, Crystal in the dry hop.

After loading it into BeerSmith my IBU's are around 75. Something doesn't seem right...

 

[mewellsar]

Interesting...I just got this same kit and I have Apollo and Amarillo in the boil and Apollo, Amarillo, Crystal in the dry hop.

After loading it into BeerSmith my IBU's are around 75. Something doesn't seem right...

Simcoe is short and in high demand I hear. May have subbed for something more plentiful or cost effective for them.

 

[Bryan_85]

UPDATED: Using Amarillo hops

I'm thinking its just base malt with some light caramels for a touch of color.

single infusion mash with 75% efficiency. SG=1.048 FG=1.012 SRM=6 IBU=42.1 using Rager. ABV clocks in between 4.4% and 4.8% depending on the yeast strain used.

I had always believed that knowing the OG and FG really pinned down the ABV closely. I know that there are a few formulas out there for estimating ABV based on OG and FG, but I didn't know about this effect of the yeast. So if you have a batch of wort at OG 1.048, split it between two different yeasts, and both yeasts ferment down to 1.012, then it's possible that one is 4.4% and the other is 4.8%?

Since this is a big gap (0.4/4.4 is almost 10%) are there any resources out there explaining which yeasts create more alcohol than others after accounting for the original and final gravities? Should all of the ABVs that homebrewers calculate, using hydrometers, be interpreted with the caveat of "+/- 10%"? Using my example above, can we conclude that the yeast that was used for the 4.4% beer made more non-alcohol byproducts? Can someone help me understand this better? thanks a ton!

 

[njviking]

I brewed this exact recipe about a month ago and did a side by side over the weekend. Mine is on the right. This was the closest I've gotten a clone to taste like the commercial version.:rockin: Thanks for the recipe Brewski!

I'm definitely doing this recipe real soon. Unless I'm sampling, this is basically the only beer I buy at the store.

Since you did a side by side; how was the body of your batch vs the breweries? While I love the breweries offering, it is just a little watery imo. I'm hoping the oats tightened it up a bit.

If it did not what does everyone think of pumping the oats up a little?

 

[dwDrummer]

Since you did a side by side; how was the body of your batch vs the breweries? While I love the breweries offering, it is just a little watery imo. I'm hoping the oats tightened it up a bit.

The body of my beer vs. Founder's was very close and yes it is on the lighter body side. I'm going to be brewing this again soon and this time I'm going to put it on my Nitro tap.

 

[njviking]

Have you experienced a dulling of flavor with nitro? I have found my grain and hop profile "numbed" when i put beer on gas. I might not have it dialed in though. I think im going to build the oat profile on this recipe and report back with my findings.

And to the op....

Gratitude for the recipe..

 

[irishrover32]

I'm definitely doing this recipe real soon. Unless I'm sampling, this is basically the only beer I buy at the store.

Since you did a side by side; how was the body of your batch vs the breweries? While I love the breweries offering, it is just a little watery imo. I'm hoping the oats tightened it up a bit.

If it did not what does everyone think of pumping the oats up a little?

I was just gonna comment on this I love how the beer is so light and spritzy! similar to a Berliner Weiss, I was gonna say 1.012 FG seems high would it not be lower for this body

 

[njviking]

Brewed this yesterday.

Biab
American Ipa
Batch size 5.5
Boil 8.24 gal
70% efficiency

7lb 2 row. 68.6%
1lb 4 oz crystal 20l. 11.8
1lb flaked oats. 9.8
.5lb rye flakes. 4.9
.5lb red wheat flakes. 4.9
Mashed between 145 and 150 for 60min.

.25 crystal. @60
.25 simcoe. 60
.5 amarillo. 20
.25 crystal. 20
.5 simcoe. 20
.5 amarillo. 5
.25 citra. Whirlpool @ 170
.25 citra. Dry hop keg
.5 amarillo. Dry hop keg
.5 simcoe. Dry hop keg

Estimated ibu 51.39 tinseth.

05 yeast, hydrated.

Plan on 2 week primary and then into keg and dry hop for 1 week.

Brewery notes.
I way overshot the og and came in at 1.055. My efficiency latley has been scary awesome so next time im going to delete a lb of 2 row.

Founders states they use oats as 20% of the grain bill. Im not comfy with going that high as ive been told its not just a straight infusion mash.

I used 5% as a baseline for the rye and wheat and hopefully will be able to note the difference for future batches.

Seems to be a clearer picture on the hops just being citra and amarillo only. For this one i put brewsky's hop schedule with additions of citra and amarillo in hopes of deconstructing it in later batches.

Next batch will be citra and amarillo only with fw and late additions as hinted by founders.

Tell ya in three weeks what happens.
,

 

[irishrover32]

I done a dodgy gravity test with this, I shook some up and put it in the fridge over night to de carb it and it came out at 1.008 don't know how accurate this is but there ya go

 

[dyqik]

5 Gallon batch size
OG=1.040 FG=1.012 SRM=6 IBU=40 (Rager) I got 70% Extract efficiency. I think I mashed at 148F.

6# 12oz Briess 2-row
1# 2oz Briess Caramel 20L
12oz flaked oats
4oz Briess Red Wheat

8g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 60 min
6g Simcoe 14.1AA leaf 60 min
14g Amarillo 8.6AA pellet 20 min
14g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 20 min
14g Simcoe 14.1AA leaf 20 min
14g Amarillo 8.6AA pellet 5 min
14g Crystal 3.4AA leaf 5 min

Dryhop (7 days)
14g Simcoe 14.1AA
14g Amarillo 8.6AA
14g Crystal 3.4AA

I brewed this exact recipe about a month ago and did a side by side over the weekend. Mine is on the right. This was the closest I've gotten a clone to taste like the commercial version.:rockin: Thanks for the recipe Brewski!

I brewed the same. I didn't do a side by side because a) I've had trouble finding All-Day IPA here (seriously?) and b) I had some boil issues due to not enough heat output from my gas stove that lengthened the boil to 90 minutes and put my additions off. I used US-05, built up with a starter as I had half a pack left over from a Pliny clone.

Even with the boil issues, it's an excellent beer, with a pretty simple recipe. I'm sure I'm missing some hop aroma/flavor because my timing of hop additions was off.

Generally I'm sure that some of the clone recipes on homebrewtalk are way more complex than the original - a larger brewery isn't likely to use a handful of five kinds of speciality malt in a beer, they're far more likely to use a fairly simple recipe with round weight amounts for their batch size - and this seems to fit that bill. I'm sure that it could be done with the same grain bill but with all simcoe and amarillo as others have suggested.

 

[xander1]

Brewed this yesterday.

Biab
American Ipa
Batch size 5.5
Boil 8.24 gal
70% efficiency

7lb 2 row. 68.6%
1lb 4 oz crystal 20l. 11.8
1lb flaked oats. 9.8
.5lb rye flakes. 4.9
.5lb red wheat flakes. 4.9
Mashed between 145 and 150 for 60min.

.25 crystal. @60
.25 simcoe. 60
.5 amarillo. 20
.25 crystal. 20
.5 simcoe. 20
.5 amarillo. 5
.25 citra. Whirlpool @ 170
.25 citra. Dry hop keg
.5 amarillo. Dry hop keg
.5 simcoe. Dry hop keg

Estimated ibu 51.39 tinseth.

05 yeast, hydrated.

Plan on 2 week primary and then into keg and dry hop for 1 week.

Brewery notes.
I way overshot the og and came in at 1.055. My efficiency latley has been scary awesome so next time im going to delete a lb of 2 row.

Founders states they use oats as 20% of the grain bill. Im not comfy with going that high as ive been told its not just a straight infusion mash.

I used 5% as a baseline for the rye and wheat and hopefully will be able to note the difference for future batches.

Seems to be a clearer picture on the hops just being citra and amarillo only. For this one i put brewsky's hop schedule with additions of citra and amarillo in hopes of deconstructing it in later batches.

Next batch will be citra and amarillo only with fw and late additions as hinted by founders.

Tell ya in three weeks what happens.
,

How did this turn out? I haven't had this beer yet as I'm in Australia - It's hard to get (if at all)
It's my brothers go to beer, so I would love to brew it when he is home next.

Look forward to your tips!

Cheers

 

[njviking]

How did this turn out? I haven't had this beer yet as I'm in Australia - It's hard to get (if at all)
It's my brothers go to beer, so I would love to brew it when he is home next.

Look forward to your tips!

Cheers

Gonna be a couple more weeks, still fermenting away. Going to brew it again today with only amarillo and citra so i can do a three way tasting in about a month.

Sorry i meant simcoe and amarillo.

 

[brewski09]

I brewed the same. I didn't do a side by side because a) I've had trouble finding All-Day IPA here (seriously?) and b) I had some boil issues due to not enough heat output from my gas stove that lengthened the boil to 90 minutes and put my additions off. I used US-05, built up with a starter as I had half a pack left over from a Pliny clone.

Even with the boil issues, it's an excellent beer, with a pretty simple recipe. I'm sure I'm missing some hop aroma/flavor because my timing of hop additions was off.

Generally I'm sure that some of the clone recipes on homebrewtalk are way more complex than the original - a larger brewery isn't likely to use a handful of five kinds of speciality malt in a beer, they're far more likely to use a fairly simple recipe with round weight amounts for their batch size - and this seems to fit that bill. I'm sure that it could be done with the same grain bill but with all simcoe and amarillo as others have suggested.

I'm pretty sure I built this one as a 30bbl and scaled down and then rounded off. It's how I try to do clones to help get as close as possible. The smallest amount I use is half sacks of grain at that point. Got the idea from the Jamil show "can you brew it" on the brewing network.