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This whole thing has angered me in ways beyond belief. I am a Libertarian, so i believe that this is an infringement of individual rights. Why should the government make these decisions for you. If you want to risk the side effects of speedballing, then go ahead and drink the stuff, otherwise don't and keep your nose out your neighbor's business if they do choose to do stuff like drink this.

This is nothing but post hippie generation bull crap!

I can agree that if you want to sit at home/party/etc. and drink whatever you want, more power to you. The problem is when people move the party into a public location where other people are put at risk. This last weekend two 14 year olds were drinking that Four Loko, got into a car, drove on the freeway on the wrong way and drove into a guard rail. The passenger was killed. Although you can point to the kids, the parents, etc. as responsible parties, if they had hit another car and killed somebody it wouldn't have been the victim's fault but the victim would still be dead.

That is why the government regulates products like those that obviously target underage/young drinkers with a product that clearly increases the danger of drinking.

Is it really anybody's preference to have the government intrude and regulate?? No. It is expensive and intrusive; however, until people are willing to self-regulate themselves and businesses start being a little more responsible with the products they produce, somebody needs to protect me from idiot 14 year olds with idiot parents drinking idiot products.
 
I don't feel that the government needs to get involved in this situation, they can't seem to do anything right anyway, how would this situation be any different than the countless others that they have been way off-base or overreaching on?

These idiots will just find other ways to remove their dumb-asses from the gene pool, as long as I can avoid them I'm fine with that. Stupid people breed, have stupid kids, who make even more stupid kids, at some point natural selection steps in and thins the herd.
 
The FDA is banning these products because a strong, vocal minority is demanding it. It's a move that's opposed by many people, but those people don't speak up. If you haven't contacted the FDA with your concerns, you really can't complain about their decisions.

The FDA is responding to its perceived will of the people, which is what we want from our government.

I'm always amazed by how little credit is given to the government. As far as I'm concerned, the USA is a pretty good place to live.
 
Well, duh. I was sort of being facetious. ;)

Glad to hear:mug:

balconies don't kill people but that doesn't mean that they can't require you to put railing on it.

Yes but the city made all the hotels put locks on all windows/balconies to keep stupid people from climbing over the railings.

So in fact they did ban the balconies during springbreak.


The FDA is banning these products because a strong, vocal minority is demanding it. It's a move that's opposed by many people, but those people don't speak up. If you haven't contacted the FDA with your concerns, you really can't complain about their decisions.

No the local politicians & DA were behind the push to ban, seeing a notch on their records- "see I got such n such banned to protect the Children & Families from the evil menace".



Stupid people breed, have stupid kids, who make even more stupid kids, at some point natural selection steps in and thins the herd.


Cheers!
I've been saying that since Jerry Springer first hit the airwaves:mad:
 
I hate to say but maybe its not the drinks but the people drinking.... :drunk:

Such as this>
"one of the students said he'd had three tins of this beverage Four Loko and several shots of tequila all in the space of an hour,"

Whatever happened to taking responsibity for your actions?

This +1000.. The government shouldnt be trying to ban a drink because people are being irresponsible about drinking it.
 
The FDA is banning these products because a strong, vocal minority is demanding it. It's a move that's opposed by many people, but those people don't speak up. If you haven't contacted the FDA with your concerns, you really can't complain about their decisions.

The FDA is responding to its perceived will of the people, which is what we want from our government.

I'm always amazed by how little credit is given to the government. As far as I'm concerned, the USA is a pretty good place to live.

I don't contact the FDA about their decisions because I refuse to recognize the morality of their authority. It doesn't matter whether a product is harmful or not, they have no moral right to ban it. Whether I drink four loko is no concern of their's, it is my concern and mine alone. Just like a drug, medical device, vaccine or anything else: it is my concern alone. In the absence of force or fraud the government has no moral right to get involved. So no, I won't contact them and argue about whether they should or shouldn't ban a particular product, because they have no moral right to ban ANY product.

With regards to what someone said about underage drinkers: do you think the government can save the world? We were all kids once, and when I was a kid I drank way more in a week than I currently drink in an entire year. I never got behind the wheel of a car. If you think you're going to ban four loko and thereby prevent people from driving drunk I've got some beach front real estate in North Dakota that I can sell you.

Who is John Galt?
 
Government intrusion takes another step on the back of American Liberty.

It is not the government's job to tell us what's safe.

It is not the government's job to protect you from anything.

It is not the government's job to regulate marketing, packaging, or sales of anything.

Here's a novel idea; if you don't think this swill is safe, DON'T DRINK IT.

We are in this situation because men have found it more comforting and docile to live under the yolk in exchange for a reprieve from the tedious fight that it takes to maintain liberty. This is but one small example of a body that rides on your tax dollars and has nothing better to do than cater to the lowest common denominator; banning A BEVERAGE so that YOU can be safer.

RIP, Freedom. We hardly knew ye.
 

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