Negatory.
It's unlikely we'll make it, but if we somehow manage to do so it will probably be by displacing Columbus rather than the Wings...
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Negatory.
It's unlikely we'll make it, but if we somehow manage to do so it will probably be by displacing Columbus rather than the Wings...
paulster2626
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Yes after Saturday's regulation loss it was clear the Wings would not be caught by Toronto for a wildcard spot, and really all hope lies on that 8th place finish.
Homercidal can only access homebrewtalk, and no websites which show NHL standings apparently.
But - Bernier gets injured last night, so in comes Reimer. A guy who's been vilified recently by some vocal less-than-intelligent fans. They even sent his wife hateful messages FFS. Anyway as he's skating to the net, the crowd gives him a standing O, then proceeds to chant his name during the ensuing penalty kill. Gave me the shivers.
Toronto has THE best fans in the world - hands down.
FTFY.
Yes, I check the standings every day now, but I haven't actually performed the math on the blue jackets or leafs. With the recent 2 wins, Toronto is looking pretty good again.
With Datsyuk coming back tonight, I hope Detroit can string a few more wins and clinch. But it will probably come down to the last 2 games.
paulster2626
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Goose is cooked. Toronto boos their team off the ice on Saturday, and rightly so. What a bunch of floundering idiots.
What's the good storyline this playoffs? Anything interesting? Lets go Red Wings, I guess?
solbes
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My condolences Toronto fans. Passionate group of fans you are.
Wild are crankin it back up after such a soft stretch in March. Bryz has a two game + shutout streak going. Even got taunted by the Winnipeg fans last night (Il-ya, Il-ya) and gave a little back. He's still unbeaten in regulation, great pick up C-Fletch. D has suddenly become our strength. I hope they can keep that attitude heading into the playoffs.
I think the Blues are tanking on purpose to likely get the #7 Wild in round 1. And they would be smart to do so. We need Anaheim to lose or St Louis to get back to winning. No chance in St Louis where the Wild haven't won since 2007 (eeek!)
Wild are crankin it back up after such a soft stretch in March. Bryz has a two game + shutout streak going. Even got taunted by the Winnipeg fans last night (Il-ya, Il-ya) and gave a little back. He's still unbeaten in regulation, great pick up C-Fletch. D has suddenly become our strength. I hope they can keep that attitude heading into the playoffs.
I think the Blues are tanking on purpose to likely get the #7 Wild in round 1. And they would be smart to do so. We need Anaheim to lose or St Louis to get back to winning. No chance in St Louis where the Wild haven't won since 2007 (eeek!)
In an odd way, I'm kind of glad Toronto failed to hang on to the last few games in order to make the playoffs. I think it forces management to take this team's issues much more seriously than they would had they ended up just scraping by.
And I do actually have faith in Tim Leiweke to steer this team on the right course to becoming an actual contender with a bit of time.
And I do actually have faith in Tim Leiweke to steer this team on the right course to becoming an actual contender with a bit of time.
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Toronto has been rebuilding for years. What makes this year's defeat any different for them than the past decades?
Frankly, I thought Carlyle was going to help get them over the hump and have them competing for the cup in a few years.
Frankly, I thought Carlyle was going to help get them over the hump and have them competing for the cup in a few years.
paulster2626
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Sigh... another history lesson needs to get doled out.
1993 - conf. finals - team was awesome.
1994 - conf. finals - team was still awesome.
1995 - out first round
1996 - out first round
1997 - no playoffs
1998 - no playoffs
1999 - conf. finals - team good again.
2000 - out 2nd round (vs. devils)
2001 - out 2nd round (vs. devils again)
2002 - conf. finals - team good (still...)
2003 - out first round
2004 - out second round
2005 - LOCKOUT
2006-today - Terrible.
The difference is there is now a salary cap. The Leafs can no longer trade away picks for aging veterans, and out-spend their shortcomings to acquire talent. Since Burke was hired 5 years ago, we've seen a much-needed shift in to building a team with youth and development which has not happened here.... ever.
At the start of this season we all had the Leafs pegged at finishing 7th-10th, and it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen. The difference is there is now a mentality that youth will not be moved out for older players, and the Marlies are actually being used to develop those important bottom-6 forward and bottom-4 defence positions. The fruits of Burke's labour are about to be realized as just now are those players starting to be ready to be promoted.
So you see, it's differnet than "Past Decades" because the past decades were actually good times to be a Leafs fan. THIS 10-year stretch is the only ****ty one in 30 years. All we can do I guess is hope it doesn't last as long as the "Dead Wings" era did, when Detroit only made the playoffs twice in 17 years.
Hopefully next season we see Nonis focus on filling the roster with a few of these young prospects, and somehow clear some room to acquire a solid #2D. It is different this time because he has come out and said straight up "we will not sacrifice youth."
Sorry, I wasn't interpreted as I intended. I meant, the Leafs have been pretty bad for years. (like the past decade). And my question about this year's defeat vs. past decades was in reference to the fans being disappointed. It seems like a continuing thing, eve if they make the playoffs and fight for the cup.
I actually expect they will continue to improve. They need to either trust the coach and play his style because they can win that way, or find a coach that fits the players he has to work with. That may very well be happening.
Out of necessity Detroit has gone from buying skilled veterans and stacking the deck, to finding and conditioning players from the lower drafts and elsewhere. It's still working, but you can see the general decline in points and wins due to the salary cap. Thankfully the Wings management and scouts have done very well, or Detroit may very well have been outside looking in the past couple of years.
I think Leafs fans need to be patient and hope the team can work in a couple of good young players who are willing to play Carlyle's way. I think he's a pretty decent coach and can take a dedicated, hardworking and somewhat skilled team deep into the playoffs. They aren't that far from it (For that matter, with the league parity these days, most teams aren't either.)
I actually expect they will continue to improve. They need to either trust the coach and play his style because they can win that way, or find a coach that fits the players he has to work with. That may very well be happening.
Out of necessity Detroit has gone from buying skilled veterans and stacking the deck, to finding and conditioning players from the lower drafts and elsewhere. It's still working, but you can see the general decline in points and wins due to the salary cap. Thankfully the Wings management and scouts have done very well, or Detroit may very well have been outside looking in the past couple of years.
I think Leafs fans need to be patient and hope the team can work in a couple of good young players who are willing to play Carlyle's way. I think he's a pretty decent coach and can take a dedicated, hardworking and somewhat skilled team deep into the playoffs. They aren't that far from it (For that matter, with the league parity these days, most teams aren't either.)
paulster2626
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Oh - and there's also Tim Lieweke at the helm now, which is actually looking pretty awesome. He just comes across as a guy who "gets it" and is capable of turning this ship around.
Kessel/JVR/Reilly/Phaneuf is still a solid core to build around. Much of the problems this year lied with a crappy bottom 6, and just plain bad luck due to injuries (All 3 top Centres at the same time, Bolland for 60 games, Bernier) and suspensions (Clarkson never recovered from that ****ty start).
Kessel/JVR/Reilly/Phaneuf is still a solid core to build around. Much of the problems this year lied with a crappy bottom 6, and just plain bad luck due to injuries (All 3 top Centres at the same time, Bolland for 60 games, Bernier) and suspensions (Clarkson never recovered from that ****ty start).
I agree. I see a lot of hate from the fans for those guy and the defense in general, but I think they are smart and talented players. Maybe with a couple of good picks and coming back from this big letdown, they will be in better shape to make it into the playoffs next year.
I know Detroit was looking pretty bad with all of the injuries piling on. They had more Griffins Players on the team at one point than Red Wings players! It's really a surprise to see the young kids picking up the slack to (hopefully) carry them into the playoffs.
Only one point to go and a couple of good teams to play to get it...
arturo7
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Frickin' Blues. Getting ready for the playoffs with their worst 10 game stretch of the season. I seems they've lost their will to compete.
Pens helped the wings out.
It's ok, they're just coasting. The Bruins have taken an edge off their game since they clinched a top seed spot. It happens...
Cheers!
Yep, but they are usually pretty interesting and competitive games when they play each other. It will be an interesting finish to the regular season to see who gets in and how gets knocked out.
paulster2626
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Thing with DET though is when they need to call up guys from the A they are for the most part all pretty old and well-seasoned - it's part of a solid development program: make your picks, and then KEEP the players. Novel concept that the Leafs have only been doing now for 4 years, and we are about to see if it'll start to pay off.
Now they're looking to hire Shanahan in some capacity. Leafs new way to operate is to just get as Red Wings as possible. Hey - I'll take it.
Some of our guys are not that old, but yes, a lot of them have a few years of AHL experience or similar. I honestly see good things from Toronto in the next couple of years. A lot of teams are still working towards having that one great season and if it doesn't work out they are SOL for the next couple.
The league parity is a killer. I like the competitiveness, but it makes picking which teams will do well in any given season really tough.
The Wings' streak is pretty impressive, but if you look back at the Montreal glory years, it's nothing. Those guys were unbelievable! League expansion, salary cap, etc. have made it almost impossible to have a dynasty of that type anymore.
The league parity is a killer. I like the competitiveness, but it makes picking which teams will do well in any given season really tough.
The Wings' streak is pretty impressive, but if you look back at the Montreal glory years, it's nothing. Those guys were unbelievable! League expansion, salary cap, etc. have made it almost impossible to have a dynasty of that type anymore.
paulster2626
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Chicago and Boston though - they seem to know what they're doing. They've got their core of 4-5 really good players, and as the lesser-quality ones become better, they jettison them for picks/prospects and then promote from within. It's like magic.
Yes. A couple of teams are using that model as well. It might serve them well. It could backfire if they aren't able to make good picks, or it might only cost them more money.
A lot has to do with the players after they reach the NHL level. Even players who are quite good at the AHL level, playing with a lot of younger guys, sometimes don't mesh with the culture of the team at the NHL level. Or they might need a season or two to adjust.
I'm looking forward to Toronto and Detroit going back to the old rivalry. I know every one is "pushing" it, and that might make it seem kind of "fake", but I think they will naturally get to the point where the fans all look forward to the two teams going at it.
Especially how closely matched in play they are now, I expect the players to gear up for each game. It will really happen when they meet up in the playoffs, or, as in the case of the infamous Avalanche rivalry, if one or two players starts some sht with the other team!
I read that yesterday too, and heard just now he's going to accept the position and will be resigning as director of player safety.
Tim Leiweke is definitely a guy that has me optimistic about the Leafs' future. I'm not sure why a lot of people seem to dislike him so much and even heavily criticized his Strombo interview. Though I disagree with the poster who thinks we need to be more patient with Carlyle. I've said he should be fired all season and only feel even more justified now that we're at the end of the season. Whatever his past successes may be, he's only demonstrated that he's little more than a relic and incapable of making impersonal decisions in the best interests of the team.
I didn't watch the Pens/Det game, but have it on the DVR. I'm still hoping that Columbus finishes 7th so that my home team (Penguins) plays them in the 1st round instead of Detroit. Of course, playing anyone but the Flyers is "better".
arturo7
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Disgraceful. Not only did the Blues lose their 4th straight, a top player gets gooned and his teammates did nothing about it.
On the bright side, it looks like we'll have home ice against the Hawks and we won't lose 4 in a row to the Kings this year.
I'll bet the guys already have their tee times for early May.
what a debacle
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On the bright side, it looks like we'll have home ice against the Hawks and we won't lose 4 in a row to the Kings this year.
I'll bet the guys already have their tee times for early May.
what a debacle
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I don't know Philly keeps playing like they did tonight and it may very well be flyer vs. pens
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Not trash talk but the Frozen Four was the most entertaining games that I have seen in a long time. I may be a little biased because I grew up 5 minutes from Union but both games were exciting and close. That Minnesota game was unbelievable especially for a game that was scoreless halfway through the third.
Feel free to rip me.
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paulster2626
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Leafs lose when it matters, FINALLY! The game on Saturday is huge as Leafs and Sens are tied in the standings. Loser gets a better draft pick! GO SENS GO!
Pens are playing Philly tomorrow. Maybe they (Pittsburgh) can help Philly keep 6th.
StittsvilleJames
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Anaheim has our 1st rounder this year.
Pens are playing Philly tomorrow. Maybe they (Pittsburgh) can help Philly keep 6th.
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Goofynewfie
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Real classy move by the canucks at the end of the game tonight. Congrats on a heck of a career to Ryan smyth
