Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[Flycal6]

That's called financial planning and living below your means. It's called having 3-6 months of your coat of living minimum set aside for those unforeseen circumstances. Of all people, making $500,000 should be easy to work that out. Live on $100,000-$150,000 and bank the rest.

It's called being an adult and being responsible.

$10,000/month strike pat is $120,000 and should keep someone in a $100-$150k lifestyle afloat.

And you should be paying cash for everything and carry zero debt with that kind of income.

I totally agree.

And as for the rookies on 2 way contracts, either they got assigned to the AHL and they're still getting paid what they're used too, or they got stuck with the big club and they get 10k per month strike pay.

 

[Flycal6]

...as each day passes I care less and less.

I wish I felt this way, but I'm the perfect sucker for NHL owners. As soon as the lockout ends, I know I'll buy gamecenter and watch as many games as I can.

 

[stratslinger]

Coming from a slightly different perspective... I made the happy discovery last year that SWMBO really digs hockey, and we've been making it a point to catch as many Friday night home games for the local AHL team as we can. Happily, they're not locked out and the talent level they're seeing right now is just a bit enhanced over last year since some of the younger locked out players are stashed on farm teams. But if this lock out gets worked out, we'll be in for a rude awakening when the talent level changes. At least it should happen pretty much equally across the board...

I still can't believe the NHL is going this direction again though, so soon after they lost an entire season... Did they learn NOTHING the last time this happened? They've only just started to recover their popularity again in the last couple years.

 

[Homercidal]

I still can't believe the NHL is going this direction again though, so soon after they lost an entire season... Did they learn NOTHING the last time this happened? They've only just started to recover their popularity again in the last couple years.

What they learned is that the league rebounded after a few years and are now making much more money. And they want a bigger slice of that pie.

Right now I am doing fine. I am getting things done at home and can always go to some college and AHL games. But I know when the league starts up again I'll be tuning in.

 

[paulster2626]

50/50 split proposed by NHL today. No rollbacks. 82 game season starting Nov 2 - nobody loses pay. ELC goes to 4 years. Max 5 year contract length. UFA at 28. Revenue sharing increases to $200M.

This is a solid proposal. Take it you NHLPA bums.

 

[Goofynewfie]

That is a great offer, hard to see them getting much better

 

[Boleslaus]

If the NHLPA rejects the offer I think they will lose some of that coveted public opinion they enjoy against those greedy owners. This is a big move by the NHL and I'm glad they made it.

 

[Barnzy02]

If the NHLPA rejects the offer I think they will lose some of that coveted public opinion they enjoy against those greedy owners. This is a big move by the NHL and I'm glad they made it.

DITTO. :rockin:

 

[Homercidal]

The basics look like a deal the NHLPA should strongly consider accepting. However, we haven't heard anything about the rest of the deal. I've seen plenty of "concessions" that come with screw-yous in other parts of the contract.

I hope it works out, because I'm afraid if the deal isn't accepted we won't have hockey this season.

 

[paulster2626]

The basics look like a deal the NHLPA should strongly consider accepting. However, we haven't heard anything about the rest of the deal. I've seen plenty of "concessions" that come with screw-yous in other parts of the contract.

I hope it works out, because I'm afraid if the deal isn't accepted we won't have hockey this season.

It all comes down to what that dummy Fehr throws back at the league tomorrow. He has to counter it with something.

At this point all I'd like to see is a player vote in 8 days. I think they're not as unified as they'd like us to believe.

 

[emjay]

At this point all I'd like to see is a player vote in 8 days. I think they're not as unified as they'd like us to believe.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Most of the interviews I've seen, the players have just seemed to be reluctant to speak out even a little bit against the PA (ie "their fellow players"), but really just want to play hockey.

 

[Homercidal]

I think they are unified, at least more than last time by a lot, but everyone knows the league is going to get the advantage. This deal seems to be quite a lot better for the players than the first few offers. It really looks to me like something they can work from to reach an agreement. The league has even come down on some of the secondary issues.

The players just need to decide how much they are going to accept being screwed. I think they realize their position and really want to get playing.

 

[paulster2626]

I wish I was in a position to call going from an average salary of $2.4million to $2.1million - to play hockey mind you - "getting screwed".

 

[arturo7]

The only people getting screwed are the fans and the office and venue personnel who aren't working.

 

[paulster2626]

And the bar and restaurant staff, and people who work for the league, and ticket resellers, and Vegas betting dudes, and charities, and stores who sell merchandise, and people who work for various tv networks... Can we think of more?

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

And the bar and restaurant staff, and people who work for the league, and ticket resellers, and Vegas betting dudes, and charities, and stores who sell merchandise, and people who work for various tv networks... Can we think of more?

I can, but I'm trying to stay positive today. Hoping for some good news! <--Herbert the Pervert voice.

 

[solbes]

3 counter offers by NHLPA today and they took a step "backwards". Cancel the Classic, lay-off some Bar-Maids, put Don Cherry's suits into long term storage, and fire me up some college hockey. I'm done with Fehr and his juvenile tactics. Only he would be so asinine as to kill any momentum in the face of an increasingly apathetic national view.

 

[NordeastBrewer77]

****! Double ****. fvcking $hitbirds, they're all fvcking $hitbirds.

 

[Lumpy16]

****! Double ****. fvcking $hitbirds, they're all fvcking $hitbirds.

Couldn't agree more

 

[dudius]

3 counter offers by NHLPA today and they took a step "backwards". Cancel the Classic, lay-off some Bar-Maids, put Don Cherry's suits into long term storage, and fire me up some college hockey. I'm done with Fehr and his juvenile tactics. Only he would be so asinine as to kill any momentum in the face of an increasingly apathetic national view.

I'm looking at AHL tickets right now.

 

[arturo7]

******s all

 

[todd_k]

I was so optimistic yesterday I pulled up "Good old hockey game" on Youtube. I also asked my son (2 1/2) if he wanted to watch some hockey. Of course he says yes. The first thing I show him is the scene from Slap Shot when the Hanson brothers finally get to play for the first time. Then followed by the national anthem scene with the ref yelling at them, then highlights from the Junior WC's with Canda vs. Russia. We're also taking him skating for the first time this Saturday.

 

[emjay]

I, also, was optimistic when I heard the league's latest offer.

To quibble over a few percentage points of their 7-figure salaries is ridiculous. In fact, there should actually be a not-insignificant portion of players who actually stand to lose more in the long run by only making strike pay for the year (EVEN IF they manage to keep it at 57%, which they won't), rather than accepting a few percentage points less. Granted, the more highly-paid players would at first glance be the players in this group, so it might not initially seem to really matter all that much. But salary is only one half of the equation, the other half being the number of years left in a player's career. And the lower-salaried grinders tend to have much shorter careers than the highly-paid superstars, so in actuality I'd imagine that the *least* paid players are actually the *most* affected by this.

Of course, while there are undoubtedly SOME number of players who will end up overall making less by missing the year, the size and composition of this group as described is largely conjecture. But it would be interesting to see an actual, in-depth, statistical analysis, and it could maybe possibly even provide somewhat of a reality check for a chunk of the players. And a reality check is exactly what these ******** need - they're screwing over a lot of people (and not even really the owners!) by bitching about a few percentage points when many of them will regardless make more in a year than most people make in a lifetime. They really have to get their heads out of their asses.

For a bit of perspective, Stamkos went to my high school, a freshman while I was in my senior year. The kid worked hard to get where he is. But so did dozens (if not hundreds) of the other kids that were in the same building that year, and it's unlikely that even a single one of them is making even a tenth of what he is. That's not to knock on Stamkos specifically, as he's a pretty down to earth guy (a total geek, really). I'm just pointing out how these players should really be counting their blessings rather than throwing this whole collective entitlement-tantrum.

 

[Lumpy16]

I, also, was optimistic when I heard the league's latest offer.

To quibble over a few percentage points of their 7-figure salaries is ridiculous. In fact, there should actually be a not-insignificant portion of players who actually stand to lose more in the long run by only making strike pay for the year (EVEN IF they manage to keep it at 57%, which they won't), rather than accepting a few percentage points less. Granted, the more highly-paid players would at first glance be the players in this group, so it might not initially seem to really matter all that much. But salary is only one half of the equation, the other half being the number of years left in a player's career. And the lower-salaried grinders tend to have much shorter careers than the highly-paid superstars, so in actuality I'd imagine that the *least* paid players are actually the *most* affected by this.

Of course, while there are undoubtedly SOME number of players who will end up overall making less by missing the year, the size and composition of this group as described is largely conjecture. But it would be interesting to see an actual, in-depth, statistical analysis, and it could maybe possibly even provide somewhat of a reality check for a chunk of the players. And a reality check is exactly what these ******** need - they're screwing over a lot of people (and not even really the owners!) by bitching about a few percentage points when many of them will regardless make more in a year than most people make in a lifetime. They really have to get their heads out of their asses.

For a bit of perspective, Stamkos went to my high school, a freshman while I was in my senior year. The kid worked hard to get where he is. But so did dozens (if not hundreds) of the other kids that were in the same building that year, and it's unlikely that even a single one of them is making even a tenth of what he is. That's not to knock on Stamkos specifically, as he's a pretty down to earth guy (a total geek, really). I'm just pointing out how these players should really be counting their blessings rather than throwing this whole collective entitlement-tantrum.

I agree with most of your points. But I have to say the owners locked the players out, so it's the owners screwing people. Also a few % points is a lot of money. I think they could have taken the last deal, although it was a huge decrease in cash. At this point I dont like either sides.... Depending on the hour I hate Betman more or I hate Fehr more.

 

[jtkratzer]

I'm just sick of the fact the teams continued to sign these contracts within months, days, and hours of when the CBA expired and now they want the players to take salary rollbacks and 5-year max contract lengths.

Three lockouts in one commish's tenure is three too many.

If the players take the deal, they should rescind all contracts and start fresh like a fantasy league since these deals prior to the CBA are effectively null and void since the terms and conditions are changed. Put that on the table that the owners could lose their talent and see what happens.

 

[Lumpy16]

No kidding, I would be pissed if I was Parise. Well I would be happy cause I no longer play or the stupid ass devils. But you sign a huge contract and 2 months later they want to cut it in half. That's stupid

 

[paulster2626]

I agree with most of your points. But I have to say the owners locked the players out, so it's the owners screwing people.

No. You can't let the players dictate when a work stoppage will happen. The last time they had that opportunity they went on strike right before the playoffs.
The PA showed it has no desire to negotiate before a meaningful number of games have been cancelled. The owners had to lock them out to try to get them to the table.

But I agree, greed on all sides and it makes me sick. ****ing disgraceful.

 

[paulster2626]

No kidding, I would be pissed if I was Parise. Well I would be happy cause I no longer play or the stupid ass devils. But you sign a huge contract and 2 months later they want to cut it in half. That's stupid

What? Nobody suggested to cut any contract on half. Have you been listening to the Fehr conference calls?

 

[Lumpy16]

What? Nobody suggested to cut any contract on half. Have you been listening to the Fehr conference calls?

My bad I didn't mean cut it in half. But they are talking about cutting contracts.

 

[paulster2626]

My bad I didn't mean cut it in half. But they are talking about cutting contracts.

So Parise might make $80M instead of $90M. To play hockey. Until he's 40. I'm sorry but I cannot feel sorry for this man.